Talk:1979 Formula One season

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Circuit Gilles Villeneuve[edit]

Surely the circuit should be listed as Circuit Île Notre-Dame here. --SpeedKing (talk) 08:48, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. Fixed. Good pickup. DH85868993 (talk) 10:03, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Fittipaldi or Copersucar?[edit]

If Fittipaldi Automotive entered their cars as Copersucars (please see Entry list from 1979 Grand Prix of Belgium race program) and the FIA recognised the cars as Copersucars (see Results table for the 1979 International Cup for F1 Constructors, FIA Yearbook 1980, Grey Section, page 85) why have we invented another name for them? GTHO (talk) 23:13, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

Whilst the FIA Yearbook is certainly an excellent source(!), there are numerous other reliable sources which refer to the cars as "Fittipaldis", e.g. www.formula1.com, FORIX (a subscription site unfortunately, so you'll have to take my word for it), Mike Lang's Grand Prix! Volume 3, etc. Note that I'm open to the idea of changing "Fittipaldi" to "Copersucar" if there's a consensus to do so, but if it is to be changed, then it needs to be changed in all the affected articles, not just this one. I have raised the matter at WP:F1 to solicit wider opinion. DH85868993 (talk) 00:13, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
This is one where we have a double standard, of sorts. For example, Leyton House, a Japanese real estate firm IIRC, briefly owned March's F1 team and during this period but usually the cars are referred to as Leyton Houses. Footworks though by comparison have largely been retroed as Arrows'. Unlike these examples, this is not ownership reflected and appears to be purely a commercial arrangement. Perhaps the comparison here is Brabham, where for several years in the 1960s the cars are occasionally refered to a Repco Brabhams, regardless of motive power, leading to the somewhat ridiculous nomenclature of Repco Brabham-Repco on occasion. However, the term Repco Brabham has been almost universally rejected internationally.
Other examples include Scuderia Italia/Dallara, Larrousse/Lola, Venturi/Lola, etc, etc. --Falcadore (talk) 01:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Automobile Year uses the name Copersucar in its Results section in each edition from 1975/76 through 1978/79. I don't have the 1979/80 edition so I can't check that at this stage. GTHO (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
The following table summarizes the way the cars were listed in the results published in the FIA Yearbook, Automobile Year and Australian Competition Yearbook / Australian Motor Racing Yearbook. "Year" in the table refers to the year of racing rather than the year of publication. GTHO (talk) 05:39, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
Year FIA Yearbook Automobile Year Australian Competition Yearbook (1975-1978)
Australian Motor Racing Yearbook (1979-1982)
Marlboro Grand Prix Guide (1983 edition) www. formula1. com FORIX Mike Lang's Grand Prix! Volume 3
1975 N/A Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1976 Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1977  ? Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1978 Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1979 Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Copersucar Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1980  ? Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1981  ? Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
1982 Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi Fittipaldi
I've updated the table to include the Marlboro Grand Prix Guide (1983 edition), which says "Fittipaldi (known as Copersucar from 1975-1979)", www.formula1.com, FORIX and Mike Lang's Grand Prix! Volume 3. I've also populated the cell for Automobile Year 1979/80 (covering 1979), which calls the cars "Copersucars". In general, it looks as though the "in-period" sources refer to them as "Copersucars" from 1975-1979 and "Fittipaldis" thereafter, whereas the "retrospective" sources refer to them as "Fittipaldis" throughout. DH85868993 (talk) 07:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
So where do we go from here please? Should this dicussion be transferred to the Fittipaldi Automotive Talk page?GTHO (talk) 22:48, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
I have added a note to the article re the use of "Copersucar" by the FIA. GTHO (talk) 23:16, 22 January 2010 (UTC)