Talk:1979 Kurdish rebellion in Iran

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Iranian revolution and 1979 uprisings[edit]

Kermanshani, the revolution was completed on February 1979, while the nation-wide rebellion erupted since April 1979 (Kurdish, Baluchi, opposition and Arab uprisings), as the aftermath of the revolution. I've seen no sources which describe the revolution itself prolonging after 1979, thus those rebellions were not part of it, but part of its aftermath, just like the Libyan factinal fighting today is not part of the Libyan civil war.Greyshark09 (talk) 05:40, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

@Kermanshani, how is Mujaheddin el-Halq related to the Kurdish uprising? Is there any source?Greyshark09 (talk) 06:36, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

First of all the MKO was active nation wide against the Islamic regime, including in Kurdistan, which for a long time was one of their main strongholds. The alliance between the KDP-I and the MKO is well known, as the groups together founded the National Council of Resistance of Iran in 1981 (which happened during this rebellion) and the MKO states autonomy for Iranian Kurds as one of it's goals.Kermanshahi (talk) 16:16, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

This is weasel, can you bring a good source?Greyshark09 (talk) 16:17, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

For what point exactly?Kermanshahi (talk) 16:21, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I didn't think the KDP-I's membership (at the time) in the NCRI was disputed by anyone, but just in case, here some sources found in just quick search: [1] [2] [3] there must be thousands more, because it's just a common fact. I challenge you to bring me a source stating otherwise.Kermanshahi (talk) 16:35, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, i understand that el-Halq were allied with KDPI, but were the el-Halq militants directly involved in the Kurdish rebellion? My point is that conflict sides should only include active troops on the ground (in support section we can bring also exceptional training and logistic support).Greyshark09 (talk) 16:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

MKO fighters were active nation wide and launched attacks against both the Shah and Khomeini's forces in almost every city of the country. Kurdistan was no exception. In fact, by late 1980 most dissidents across the country (weather MKO or Communist or others) were retreating into Kurdistan which was the last anti-Khomeini stronghold in the country. MKO troops were also active at the front lines during the Iraqi invasion of Iran, which as you see here occupied parts of Kurdistan.Kermanshahi (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I see, but can you provide a source for MKO fighters fighting along Kurds in the rebellion? As far as i know MKO began insurgency in late 1980, when the rebellion in Kurdistan was in its last stages. Of course MKO operated during the Iran-Iraq war nation-wide, but that came some time afterwards.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:38, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

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"Separatism"[edit]

Sources are clear about this claim:

"Significantly, the KDPI and Komala have never advocated a separate Kurdish state or greater Kurdistan, as did the PKK in its early years."[1]
"...these Kurdish Democrats raised the slogan "Democracy for Iran, Autonomy for Kurdistan," and called for an armed struggle to establish a federal republic modeled after that of Yugoslavia on the grounds that Iran, like Yugoslavia, contained many diverse nations."[2]
"...Qassemlou, was quoted by TASS as saying that 'the Kurds are not separatists. We are fighting for autonomy within the framework of democratic Iran, within the framework of its territorial integrity'."[3]
"In spite of the official hostility of the government, there are strong ties between the Kurds and the Persians. The Kurdish language is related to Farsi, and the Kurds share much of their history with the rest of Iran. This may explain at least partly why Kurdish leaders in Iran do not want a separate Kurdish state."[4]

Refs
  1. ^ Romano, David (2006). The Kurdish Nationalist Movement. Cambridge University Press, p. 240, ISBN 9780521850414
  2. ^ Abrahamian, Ervand (1982). Iran Between Two Revolutions. Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press. p. 453. ISBN 9780691053424
  3. ^ Yodfat, Aryeh (1984). Soviet Union and revolutionary Iran. New York: St. Martin's Press. ISBN 9780312749101
  4. ^ Kreyenbroek, Philip G.; Sperl, Stefan (1992). Kurds: A Contemporary Overview. London; New York: Routledge. p. 141. ISBN 9780415072656

Fforcing "separatism" claims can be considered only as POV-pushing. --HistorNE (talk) 13:11, 1 September 2013 (UTC)