Talk:2008–2012 Irish financial crisis

The Irish Depression of 2009

You might want to get someone to comment on how the Irish feel about Britain bailing out Greece and leaving them to continue to twist in the wind.... I don't know about England, but here, you take care of your own first. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.119.81.135 (talk) 14:08, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Ireland aren't 'our own' 82.25.174.63 (talk) 18:12, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Ireland is not in economic depression as unemployment is not at 15%.It's in a severe economic recession though --Kevinharte (talk) 09:39, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Increasing debt spiral

Isn't the figure of $535,000 missing a word or two? On its' own that figure looks rather small compared to most of the figures being bandied about in the media.Autarch (talk) 12:39, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Hypocrisy of british Public Opinion, careful when you use it in sources.

When Greece was getting a rescue package they were only "they should default instead". When Ireland gets it "We're in!", since they'd be affected otherwise. Careful when you use sources in articles from biased sources with specific targeted interests. --Leladax (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, Mainland Britain is going to 'chip in' to help Ireland. Opinions are mixed, but I don't see how this represents 'hypocrisy'. (I am English, by the way). I don't feel like a hypocrite, because I have been to a good few war cemeteries in Europe, and seen how many names on graves begin with O'. We are also well aware of Ireland's very quirky interpretation of the word 'neutral' during 'the emergency'. Like we have heard; "A friend in need"... 86.146.27.191 (talk) 23:23, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense. The point is not who died in World War II (which had Greek resistance (e.g. they stopped Italy on their own), but anyway). The point is that if you are about to go "Economic Analysis" you can't say one day "Greece has to default and not accept the loan because it's pegged to the euro and can't devaluate and blah blah" bs which basically shows how much they hate European Union in general because they are still hanging on the British Empire memory, and at the next say "Ireland has to be supported because it's a close partner" because that's equivalent to saying "I'm a hypocrite, I lied with that "Analysis" and it did work to get the package, so I want the collapse of others by not letting them accept the package but not Ireland who is affecting me and has to accept the package". --94.69.90.35 (talk) 13:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair point, I suppose. But how would the Irish feel if the UK had applied its 'double standards' the other way? i.e. pressing to bail out Greece but refusing its geographic and cultural close neighbour Ireland?. It would be like Greece letting Cyprus go to the wolves. I'm not sure about the 'British Empire Memory' bit. It's been a very long time since all the big red bits on the map vanished; we don't 'mourn' it, and most young Brits are probably barely aware of what 'The Commonwealth' (wealth?...Ha!) used to be. It feels 'odd' being English nowadays; we share our islands with peoples who we 'like' and regard as 'kin', and yet they seem to despise us in return. Often makes me wonder if we should have taken England out of the UK instead :-) 86.146.27.191 (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

But then what would happen to Scotland, the country that can't even put up a building or build a tram line without going 8 or 9 figures over budget?82.25.174.63 (talk) 18:15, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, but we cannot answer, unless we know whether you are either a Scotsman talking about his own country, or somebody else throwing mud at the Scots. As an Englishman, I would rather not mention the Channel Tunnel, Millennium Dome etc. As regards prescriptions, the care of the elderly etc. the Scots are well in front of us English. Anyway, this article is about the Irish Banking Crisis, which was caused by the same over-optimistic folly as the USA crisis, i.e. lending money willy-nilly in the misheld faith in ever-growing property equity during the 'Celtic Tiger' era. My initial point was that (no matter how much they sometimes seem to hate us) most historically-aware Brits still regard the Irish as 'family'. I feel that the UK would have still 'chipped-in' even if Europe hadn't, even if it appeared as a sound, prudent 'loan' from which the UK will benefit in the long term in the sense of 'returns on bonds'. It showed that somebody at least has long-term 'faith' in Ireland's ability to service the interest, which has not gone un-noticed on bond markets. The UK can borrow money at a lower rate than Ireland, so use it and rebuild! It is perhaps also worth mentioning that if Scotland was a totally independant 'island' nation, without the benefit of English contributions in the form of the 'Barnett Formula', paying its own way in the EU, and having to undercut to sell 'its' inferior crude oil on world markets, its current social expenditure would require an income tax rate of 113 pence in the pound :-) 86.146.27.191 (talk) 21:36, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ i know that it's hard not to at the moment if you're irish, but i'd urge everyone to bear in mind that there are many things that wikipedia is not - soapbox, forum, publisher of original thought, or crystal ball. --Kaini (talk) 23:38, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I've read every word of the comments above, but after reading them several times I still cannot find the part where we asked you for your opinion. Please could you point it out to us? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.27.191 (talk) 02:10, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

speculation along the lines of "Mainland Britain is going to 'chip in' to help Ireland. Opinions are mixed, but I don't see how this represents 'hypocrisy'. (I am English, by the way).", "how would the Irish feel if the UK had applied its 'double standards' the other way?", and "I feel that the UK would have still 'chipped-in' even if Europe hadn't, even if it appeared as a sound, prudent 'loan' from which the UK will benefit in the long term in the sense of 'returns on bonds'. It showed that somebody at least has long-term 'faith' in Ireland's ability to service the interest, which has not gone un-noticed on bond markets. The UK can borrow money at a lower rate than Ireland, so use it and rebuild!" are all POV-pushing opinion, speculation, and in an article which is, to a degree, concerned with the manner in which online opinion as a whole potentially has a cooling effect on markets or public perception and subsequently on markets... this is a difficult and painful topic, especially if you are an irish editor - WP:RS, WP:NPOV, and WP:V become especially important in articles like this. we must endeavour to ensure that this article only uses the best sources, not editorial or polemic content --Kaini (talk) 02:45, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Moves?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) Jenks24 (talk) 09:54, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

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• 2008–2012 Irish financial crisis → 2008–present Irish financial crisis
  • 2008–2012 Irish banking crisis → 2008–present Irish banking crisis
  • 2008–2011 Spanish financial crisis → 2008–present Spanish financial crisis
  • 2008–2011 Icelandic financial crisis → 2008–present Icelandic financial crisis
• It is still happening, it has not ended and the page changes its name every year, this should prevent such changes until it ends (if it ends) 86.40.202.243 (talk) 16:48, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

  Moved from "Contested technical requests by Anthony Appleyard (talk) at06:31, 17 January 2012 (UTC).

• Oppose Due to usage of "present", per WP:RELTIME & WP:MOS#Current. --Cybercobra (talk) 08:17, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. The "present" looks more ridiculous. What else do the press call them? --George Ho (talk) 20:33, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose. WP:NOTPAPER. one of the nice things about wikipedia is that it's fluid. if the crisis continues for another ten years, that's ten renames. not a big deal. Kaini (talk) 22:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
• Comment -- WP does not like "present"; "current", etc, becasue they become obsolete. Equally, having to rename them every year is unsatisfactory. How about looking for something without a final limit Irish financial crisis, 2008–, etc. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:57, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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