Talk:2009–2010 flu pandemic in Europe
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- 1 Orphaned references in 2009 swine flu outbreak in Europe
- 2 Ireland
- 3 Germany
- 4 Switzerland
- 5 Turkey
- 6 Article Assessment for WikiProject Medicine
- 7 Countries in Europe and Asia
- 8 Death in Scotland
- 9 Article Assessment for WikiProject Medicine
- 10 France
- 11 Estonia
- 12 Azerbaidjan
- 13 Proposed article move
- 14 Onset map
- 15 First death in Spain
- 16 community outbreak maps
- 17 split Greece
- 18 First Death
- 19 Case count map needs to be updated
- 20 Denmark
- 21 Pages for Ireland and Lithuania
- 22 2009 flu pandemic in Germany
- 23 Death Tolls??
- 24 Turkey
- 25 Ukraine....48?
- 26 "Top 5 countries"-section is not worthy of wikipedia-standards!
- 27 Ukraine again
- 28 ukraine.
- 29 Split Articles inquiry request
- 30 Requested move
- 31 C/E
Orphaned references in 2009 swine flu outbreak in Europe
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of 2009 swine flu outbreak in Europe's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "bbc1":
- From Cyprus: "Turkish Cypriots spurn EU plan". . 2006-11-06.
- From United Kingdom: "Heathrow 'needs a third runway'". BBC. Retrieved 2008-10-17.
- From 2009 swine flu outbreak in South America: The world response to flu crisis, BBC News, 2009-04-28. Retrieved on 2009-04-30.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:53, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
This was previously removed from the Ireland section before the article was split:
This was previously removed from the Germany section before the article was split
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Seems like one is only used in English and the other is used on non-English Wikipedia... why didn't the old map just get updated?
Turkey seems at all maps in Europe but you send the article to Asia. İt's a little riddiculus Asia map don't shows Turkey. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 11:39, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, I'll amend the maps. However, I believe this is partially due to the fact that the WHO regional office for Europe includes Cyprus, Turkey, and other territories (e.g., ex-Soviet republics and Israel!) For this reason, I believe the articles should adhere to inclusions per continental articles (e.g., Europe, Asia) and per the United Nations geoscheme, which list countries by continents and various regions. It would be very odd to include Israel, for instance, in the entry for Europe when very clearly it is not part of that continent. Otherwise, the article would have to be named '2009 flu pandemic in World Health Organization Regional Office for Europe' or whatever. However, I'm flexible. Bosonic dressing (talk) 17:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Article Assessment for WikiProject Medicine
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- Per discussion at WP:MED itself, Renaissancee's decision is incorrect, and it is appropriate to tag this article. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 06:36, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Countries in Europe and Asia
Please see Talk:2009_flu_pandemic_in_Asia#Country_inclusions_(Europe/Asia) where there is an ongoing discussion on which articles countries should be placed. Countries like the Mediterranean islands, Turkey, Russia, Caucuses nations, etc. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 07:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
Death in Scotland
So can someone update the world deaths map to account for Scotland?
Article Assessment for WikiProject Medicine
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Leave a message on my talk page if you have any questions. I'm glad this article could fall within our scope, and I hope to see it grow large! Many thanks! Renaissancee (talk) 04:49, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
A new article has shown up, 2009 flu pandemic in France. Do we really need this article? It's not so long, and the section in this article isn't long enough to justify a split in any case. The French Wikipedia's article on France is up for deletion as being unnecessary. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 06:45, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
- Do not hesitate to merge the information you find the most relevant in the section dedicated to France if you wish. But I guess that timelines of the flu by country should not be merged in this article. HDDTZUZDSQ (talk) 11:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Graph of Europe at the top of the article shows France in black, as "Confirmed cases followed by death". However, the map specific to France shows no black colour. Daniel Callejas Sevilla (talk) 17:34, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Don't merge the article back in. France is a large enough country to deserve a seperate article. My one point is at least the overseas departments (French Guiana etc.) should have their swine flu issues covered in the France article.Johnpacklambert (talk) 15:26, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
An impact image is available for Estonia... Image:Caution_of_Swine_flu.IMGP6166.JPG
Did not know it was in Europe.
Proposed article move
- Is there someone else who has problems with
File:Spread of Swine Flu in Europe.svg? Approx. 3/4 of the thumbnail here and on the description page are black, only in the full view the map appears completely. -- FGö 15:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
First death in Spain
It has been confirmed today (June 30) that a Moroccan inmigrant woman, aged 20, has died of the flu at Hospital Gregorio Marañón in Madrid. She was pregnant 6 months and a half pregnant and suffered asthma. The doctors made a cesarean section yesterday to save the baby. He is well for the moment but it is unknown if he could have been infected. Some sources:
- RTVE  
- El País 
- La Razón  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
community outbreak maps
Can the various community outbreak maps have their colours harmonized?
How about additing in all countries with confirmed infections, and adding a second color for "isolated infections" ?
I oppose a split, since there's not even enough stuff to make a reasonable sized section right now, let alone an article. There isn't even an article in Greek on Greece. 188.8.131.52 (talk) 07:15, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
- I put an advertisement in the Portugal's section to split the article, we have many information to put on, just need work and a little bit work (because we haven't saved all the sources that can be avaliabe to produce a good article). But since the confirmation of the first case, until today, many as happens here, the governement, emterprises, schools, shooping centers, concert halls, etc, are taking care of the emergency planes, that sould be put on way in September (with the beggining of a new academic year, ect), so I think that there are sufficient informations now, to Portugal has his own article cheers João P. M. Lima (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- I don't think Portugal's section should be split - there isn't enough information to split the article. I agree it really should be updated but not split. I also agree that a split on Greece is not needed due to the lack of information, however it should be updated. K.L.Riley 17.28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I believe that the Greece section should be split because they have quite a lot of interesting cases including an Irish teacher who is stranded there because her passport was taken and she wont be allowed back until she recovers
-- In general I think we should avoid early splits. After a split the smaller articles tend to not get updated much. What we really need is a concerted effort to bring the artilcles up to reflecting the situation in mid-September 2009, and until that happens I think any split is pre-mature.Johnpacklambert (talk) 14:26, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
Case count map needs to be updated
There is a severe need to update the case count map. A total of 12 countries are mis-identified, although one is among the many countries inadequately shown. First off, there needs to be an editing of the scale to include the 5000+ cases category. Next the most recent reports put the number of cases in Belgium at 124, and even on the outdated chart in this article the number is put at 87. Both numbers force it into the 50 or more category. Finland with 109, Romania with 55, Norway with 53 and Portugal with 102 also need to be moved into the 50 or more category. The same seems to be the case with the most recent Serbia report putting its number of cases at 54. Malta is at 82, but I am not sure Malta appears on the map at all. Croatia at 14, Montenegro at 13, Macedonia at 9, Latvia at 6 and Lithuania at 5 all need to be moved into the more than 5 category. However, We may want to rethink that categories size and the growth from category to category. The less than five will be reduced to only three noticable countries on the map, opening the question of what a virtually unused category is good for. We may want to tweak the categories at the low end, I am not sure.Johnpacklambert (talk) 18:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
An impact image is available for Denmark, File:Novel flu virus Kopenhagen Airport 0960.JPG
Pages for Ireland and Lithuania
A new page for the flu pandemic in Ireland has popped up but is redirecting to 2009 flu pandemic in Europe. Can we have that sorted out? Aldo, do we really need to split Lithuania' section? All suggestions welcome. K.L.Riley (talk) 19 August 2009 22.53pm UTC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 21:53, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
2009 flu pandemic in Germany
- I agree with you. It's time that the page was created. K.L.Riley (talk) 24 August 2009 14:29 UTC
I think somebody has been screwing with this page. I dunno about the other countries but under the Ireland heading it says: "The second death due to the swine flu virus has been reported. The victim is believed to have been living in the east of the country. The death toll currently stands at nine." Could somebody please clear up this contradiction and others like it on the page? Sadly spammers have no respect for peoples concerns over the death tolls! :( --220.127.116.11 (talk) 00:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Biggest part of Turkey geographically in Asia, however Turkey is accepted as an European country totally. In whole statics such as political, social, economical Turkey is in Europe section. However in this page Turkey is in Asia section, it is not appropiate. It should be in Europe--18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
- Let's wait for information on comfirmed A(N1H1) deaths for Ukraine from WHO. As much as I respect the president, he is not the ultimate authority in such situations. I think he was either misinformed or misinterpreted; 48 represents the total number of deaths for ALL flue cases, not just for A(H1N1). —Preceding unsigned comment added by UkieUlysses (talk • contribs) 19:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Not sure this is related but the Ukraine Health Minister Vasyl Knyazevych publicized his appeal to Ukrainian politicians. “I’m calling on you to refrain from fueling tensions in the country, creating panic and spreading pseudo medical recommendations in the media”. Not sure he is saying "Don't listen to the President" (he is his doctor). — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
- As I understand the fatal cases, f.ex. WHO has are people who had an acute respiratory ilness. And it's correct only to report here cases that are confirmed in lab to have been due to SI. --J. Sketter (talk) 14:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
"Top 5 countries"-section is not worthy of wikipedia-standards!
The whole "Top 5 countries"-section has no references and the "Ukraine" section states there are 22 cases confirmed of swine flu... in the "Top 5 countries"-section they are already dead... Learn to read before you start to edit wikipedia please ;) — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 21:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
- I frankly don't understand the need of any TOP ## list of dead people. Is this some substitute to BigBrother or what? Hey! We have more casualties than you! ?? --J. Sketter (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
Due to some politicos and/or newsnerds not being able to tell the difference between bacterial plague and viral influenza, some Ukraine stuff has landed in the article about pneumonic plague. Dysmorodrepanis (talk) 22:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for pointing this out! Seems like a good idea, but I wonder if quoting Mr. Piet Spijkers isn't Wikipedia:UNDUEWEIGHT, he seems to be just (I'm sure he does a world of good) a aid-worker who for all we know only spend 2 days in Ukraine before he made this assessment (I saw that happen before...), I saw some real Ukrainian annalist draw some conclusions who look like his in Kyiv Post (if I remember right...), I look them up rather place those as reference. Although I also think it is still some sort of WP:CHRYSTAL to state that politicians are using the flu to rise there popularity cause if they do so they will not admit that and therefore there is no hard proof... — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 00:00, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
- We can indeed write that a person has been quoted in the press as suggesting, or someone in the press has suggested, that the flu (or "plague") story is being used by politicians. And WP:CRYSTAL only says that Wikipedia editors aren't allowed to make unsubstantiated future predictions. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
i propose that the Ukraine section of 2009 flu pandemic in Europe should be made into its own article,as i feel it is becoming much to large to be in its current position.also,i feel it is in need of cleanup,updating,and attention from an expert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 17:18, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
- Moved the page to it's own article (also because this page takes ages to load...). I did my best for/with cleanup & updating. But I'm afraid/sorry asking for "attention from an expert" is a bit of an Utopia on wikipedia. Please place no more info about Ukraine in this artice to prevent Content forking, thank you! — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 15:57, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
Split Articles inquiry request
I would like to know if these sections really need to be split into separate articles as we already have mass lists on other sections. (I would like to remove the tags myself, but I thought I would get input first) --MWOAP (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
I see some peoples point on splitting, but I have issues with it because a lot of it is unsourced. I think about a week after my first posting here I will remove the requests, if no one has replied here. --MWOAP (talk) 23:49, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
In general I think requests for splits should wait until the information on a given locality is substantial enough to justify such a request.John Pack Lambert 00:22, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
- RTÉ News: Dept says no further Irish swine flu cases
- RTÉ News: Second Swine Flu case reported in Ireland
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