Talk:2009 flu pandemic timeline

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Total cases maps for USA[edit]

A stack of images have been uploaded... 70.29.210.130 (talk) 11:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Antarctica[edit]

Does anyone have a source for the May 31 Antarctica report? 70.29.210.174 (talk) 07:31, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Daily Updates[edit]

I will be updating this page daily, as frequent as possible when I'm free for the latest update of news. Yongjianrong (talk) 13:39, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Citation needed[edit]

citation needed for the death case in Hong Kong, Israel, Germany and Japan. Also for the first confirmed cases in North Korea and Mozambique.

community outbreaks should be listed in the summary.[edit]

The summary in this piece of artical is pretty boring with only reporting first cases and deaths. Community outbreaks should be listed as well.Sampsonkwan (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. 76.66.203.200 (talk) 05:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

The first case doesn't mean much. Community outbreaks are more important. It shows that local people are having swine flu. Even human to animal transmission is on the summary!Sampsonkwan (talk) 06:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

doneSampsonkwan (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Something is wrong with the summary[edit]

I counted the number of countries with a first case of h1n1 and found out that there was 117(I double checked). However, on the swine flu table, it says 107 countries have h1n1. Something must be wrong.Sampsonkwan (talk) 03:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

"top 10 worldwide"[edit]

This table should not be in this article, it should be in the other, "table" article. And it's wrong. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 21:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved this table to 2009 flu pandemic tables, since it doesn't seem all that appropriate for a timeline article, and it is also a table. 70.29.208.69 (talk) 06:52, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Swine flu or Influenza A(H1N1)[edit]

It's to my understanding that this particular new strain of virus is not swine flu. It's actually a combination of avian flu, human flu and swine flu. So, I would like to tell people to stop using the term "swine flu" and instead using "Influenza A(H1N1)", "the flu" or "pandemic flu". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.100.114.134 (talk) 10:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

new swine flu[edit]

FYI, while testing for A/H1N1-2009, a new swine flu in humans was discovered, see http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/media/nr-rp/2009/2009_0707-eng.php

This might merit mention somewhere.

70.29.208.69 (talk) 03:01, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

World cases maps[edit]

A stack of images is available

76.66.194.17 (talk) 07:29, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Flags interfere with readability of article / timeline[edit]

The flags should go. They do not add to the information in the text, which in all cases spells the name of the country of interest. This is graphical kitsch, and interferes with the usefulness of the article / timeline. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 06:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I disagree completely. If anything, the flag is more informative, allowing users to learn more about each country by clicking on the respective flags. Also, how does it interfere with the readability? They're tiny flags, what's the big deal. You're nitpicking is trivial at best. Orbzon (talk) 18:35, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I also disagree. I think the flags offer information about particular nations at a quick glance. Readers may scroll down looking for information about a specific nation. He or she can easily do that if the flags are present. Zoonosis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC).

This is something about your own personal preference, more than the readibility argument. The flags are more there as a focus point for users to pin-point which country to look at. Roman888 (talk) 09:43, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

North Korea?[edit]

Under the milestone table for July 20, there is an entry stating North Korea has its first case, yet there is no mention anywhere else about this. A Google search yields nothing but satirical articles and blog entries about North Korea creating the swine flu. If this data is not verifiable, can someone please remove it? Thanks. Zoonosis (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:42, 22 July 2009 (UTC).

See http://www.healthmap.org/swineflu. It listed North Korea with one swine flu case. I don't know if it could be trusted.Sampsonkwan (talk) 04:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't much stock in that source. But furthermore, there's now an entry for July 26 stating there are community outbreaks in North Korea. Again, a Google search yields nothing. Can someone verify this? Zoonosis (talk) 19:02, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

My apologies, the North Korea community outbreaks is listed under July 30. Zoonosis (talk) 19:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay since no one has verified the North Korea entries I have removed them. If anyone is able to confirm North Korea indeed does have at least one swine flu case and community outbreaks, then by all means please correct me. Zoonosis (talk) 15:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The North Korea entries were put back, so I've removed them again. This is unconfirmed information, stop undermining the credibility of Wikipedia. As I already said, if someone can provide confirmation or verification of North Korea having swine flu cases and community outbreaks, then please post it and correct the table. Otherwise leave North Korea off the timeline. Zoonosis (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Someone added North Korea again, but this time on August 19; however, once again it was not cited and I removed them. This is becoming aggravating. Can a moderator not do something about this please? Zoonosis (talk) 16:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

On 2010-01-26, the WHO said North Korea will be among the first to receive donated vaccines as North Koreans Get H1N1. Source= Radio Free Asia- [[1]]--Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 15:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

1000th case in the summary[edit]

Shouldn't we put the 1000th case in the summary. For example United States 1000th cases comfirmed.Sampsonkwan (talk) 04:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I personally find it to be distracting, with the high contrast between the dark/bright red (especially since the reds are not consistent - this will need to be unified) and the the duller green, grey, etc. Also, it's "confirmed", NOT "comfirmed". Personally, I don't see why the 1,000th or 10,000th case is really an important milestone, especially since now WHO isn't tracking cases. If we start denoting 1,000th and 10,000th cases, what about 100,000th and 1,000,000th case? Perhaps this kind of information can be placed on the respective nation's page. It just fills up the table needlessly, in my opinion; however, if it is kept, the colour needs to be unified and the spelling corrected. Zoonosis (talk) 13:56, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


Community outbreak=localized[edit]

What is a Community outbreak? Would be quite useful informing about that before starting to mention it everywhere in the article. (No article on the word itself). 94.70.122.229 (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing. But I think it means the virus is spreading wildly in a particular area and it is too late trying to contain the virus. Anyway it's just my theory, would be useful to have an official one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.101.155.112 (talk) 10:41, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

The diffinition is that it's localized or it's spreading in the community.Plese note that whenever a country is localized, it means community outbreaks are cofirmed.Sampsonkwan (talk) 05:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

Are there any sources for the first death related to H1N1 in India? Also I am trying to locate a single source for the 9 deaths in the Philippines? Right now I see in the table someone changed it to 10 deaths and yet there is no viable reference to support that number? Roman888 (talk) 19:08, 03 August 2009 (UTC)

Solomon islands duplication[edit]

Solomon islands first case is listed on the 15th of june and the 3rd? of august. which one is it? or is the august one supposed to be community outbreak or death?130.216.92.167 (talk) 06:53, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Where the hell did August go?[edit]

Like three weeks of August have no entries when there were some at the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.135.246 (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2009 (UTC)


I didn't remove the entries, but I surmise it was because none of them were cited. Zoonosis (talk) 13:39, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Zoonosis please if you can, please return the entries & try to cite them. I believe most of the entries were correct. It is like that nothing many happen in August, it should have been full of first confirmations & events because it is now August but the first case was confirmed around March. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.102.52 (talk) 11:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi - As requested on this page I have now put in all entries (deaths) for the Netherlands with references. I'd hope many follow my example, as I was quite annoyed with the missing August entries as well. Unfortunately, most people don't look at the discussion page... 10:17, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Please read before removing the uncited[edit]

If you are going to delete the uncited please verify if that event really happened. Don't remove it immediately especially if it happened a lot of days ago. Please Avoid deleting the uncited, verify it first, when the entry is false it is wise now to delete it. See what I mean,when you look at June 16, nothing happened, but when you see on the milestone, many countries have confirmed their first case. Don't delete entries that says that a country has first confirmed a case of AH1N1 immediately. But for North Korea it's questionable, but even so find a news on the internet saying they have confirmed at least one case. You can't just put North Korea because it is one of the most isolated countries in the world, meaning that it has little contact on the outside world. That why when you see News about North Korea they say that the news was taken from Seoul the capital of South Korea.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.102.52 (talk) 11:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

I refer you to WP:Verifiability & WP:Cite (which are themselves necessary if not sufficent criteria re notability). If citations for the deleted entries exist, get 'em. kencf0618 (talk) 00:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Portugal[edit]

Why all the portuguese enteries have been removed? only rest two, and one of them I've post it rigth now... João P. M. Lima (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Notability and verifiability, basically. kencf0618 (talk) 00:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Influenza prevention[edit]

This is not really about this article but it is a call for help on a related article, influenza prevention. My hope is to eventually have this article put into the "In the News" section, but it does not yet have appropriate content nor is it of high enough quality. I would like a consensus for this article and experienced editors to improve it. Any helpful edits to this article are greatly beneficial. Thank you. Sagan666 (talk) 00:09, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Malaysia[edit]

Death cases stands at 73, not 75. Please correct it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.133.13.175 (talk) 06:47, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

18 March & Madagascar in the Summary table.[edit]

It's an Internet meme via the game Pandemic 2 http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shut-down-everything-madagascar-pandemic-2. o_O kencf0618 (talk) 22:52, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

The Cumulative Indian Totals Problem[edit]

I recommend that the numbers of cases and deaths be restricted to orders of semi-magnitude or some such. Not only is the timeline unwiedly enough as it is, the criteria for notability change for each successive stage of the pandemic —it's a matter of scale. Thoughts? kencf0618 (talk) 22:48, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Turkmenistan and North Korea?[edit]

Someone added these countries in the timeline although no news report can prove the first cases in these countries. Common vandalism in this article is inserting North Korea within the article, now Turkmenistan, what's next? Greenland. Wikipedia is only intended to give out reliable information. This vandalisms can lead many people into confusion & misinformation. There are no cases in Turkmenistan and North Korea.[1] North Korea only prepares for AH1N1 as confirmed cases in China increases [2][3] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.121.68 (talk) 15:25, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Greenland has officially confirmed it's case. Before adding North Korea wait for it to release an official report —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.96.98.209 (talk) 12:52, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I have found a source for North Korea at http://www.swineflunews.org/news/wire/northkorea/www.etaiwannews.com/etn/news_content.php?id=1109429&lang=eng_news&cate_img=316.jpg&cate_rss=news_Health can someone verify it. In the report a official said that a South Korean Worker in Kaesong, North Korea is tested positive for swine flu but the statement "The Health Ministry says that 64 South Koreans have died of swine flu-related causes. Lee says North Korea has said it is free of swine flu." is also in the news. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuanzuanfuwa (talkcontribs) 12:09, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It is official, North Korea has swine flu as stated by trusted websites including Yahoo! News —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zuanzuanfuwa (talkcontribs) 13:11, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

On 2010-01-26, the WHO said North Korea will be among the first to receive donated vaccines as North Koreans Get H1N1. Source= Radio Free Asia- [[2]]-- --Snow storm in Eastern Asia (talk) 15:09, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Does D222G even exist[edit]

Some IP-editor had wrote that a D222G mutation was found in Ukraine, now I have been following the situation in Ukraine and never hear of it. Googling I found only sites www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2374394/posts?page=471 like this (looks unrealiable to me and is also on the wikipedia blacklist I notived the first time I tried to post this...; note that the link to another article on the page is a dead link...) reporting about it. Googling I found no mention of D222G on BBC, Times and CNN websites, what leads me to believe that D222G does not exist unless some Wikipedia:Reliable sources are found. In other words can the fear-mungers and conspiricy-lovers please leave wikipedia? Thank you. — Mariah-Yulia • Talk to me! 02:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

2009-2010 flu pandemic?[edit]

I have noticed that,at the top of the 2009 flu pandemic page,it says "main page:2009-2010 flu pandemic.as the main page for that article i9s the 2009 not 2009-2010 flu pandemic page,i considered deleting it,but decided agianst it.the page supposedly does not exist.was it created and then deleted,or did it never exist?74.75.100.23 (talk) 20:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Why no updates?[edit]

Why have there been no entries in the timeline since February? This is an ongoing pandemic, so there should be at least some recent entries in the timeline. I suspect this is an issue of low interest in editing this article, rather than a lack of continued notable events pertaining to H1N1. Immunize (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

I've fleshed out the trailing end of the pandemic with some WHO and CDC reports. It's both interesting and sad to see such persistent regional influenza activity in the Deep South. kencf0618 (talk) 06:35, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Size split?[edit]

Support - Article is over 100 kB, and should have the summary table and year 2010 split off. Thoughts???

It might be better if this article contained the summary that was split off and there was a sub article 2009 flu pandemic timeline (details). Which could be sorted out in less haste. That way, the main article would be usable and anyone requireing the mass of detail could see if required. Op47 (talk) 23:16, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I was going to go ahead, but this page is move protected. In that case, I will start an RfC. Op47 (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

RFC dealing with length of article.[edit]

There is no consensus for this change. Note that WP:LIMIT refers to readable prose size, which for this article is currently 64 kB. There is a tool for measuring this at User:Dr_pda/prosesize. While this is still large, it is well below the 100k "almost certainly should be divided" level. One way editors could help the page load faster is to reduce the large number of templates on the page, which are mainly being used for flag icons. Sunrise (talk) 00:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Should this page be moved to 2009 flu pandemic timeline (details) and move 2009 flu pandemic timeline summary to this article? Op47 (talk) 22:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Survey[edit]

Please only vote in this section. Use the section threaded discussion to discuss the matter.

Threaded discussion[edit]

  • I don't see any point in moving content from one name to another. This list is long but that's a function of the data involved. Making a split (January-June/July-December) might be an option but I'm not sure that it's really necessary. Is anyone having problems loading the page due to length? It loaded without issue for me. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
TBH, Yes I am having problems loading this article. Also, it is a policy that articles should be no larger than about 100k WP:LIMIT. At present, the article is about 230kbytes, so I would probably try to split it into 3 parts if that was the way to go. I thought I would try an alternative approach before doing that. Jax0677 has previously split off a section that would make a good summary and is a reasonable size. Unfortunately, he has made it into a sub article. For some reason, he has failed to link to it from this article and when I tried to link it, it crashed my computer. This is why I think something needs to be done about this article. Op47 (talk) 20:57, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, your RfC is asking to move this page to somewhere else, which won't help the problem. I would suggest instead splitting the list's time period up from the beginning through May, June through August, and September through to the end. You can use the same lede paragraph in for each new article and make modifications from there. Unless there's a particular periodization that would make sense, my suggestion roughly splits the content into even thirds. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:33, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I am not an objective observer here, having been the the most active editor in part because I was employed at a state warehouse where body bags, vaccines, etc. were shipped in case the pandemic got *really* bad, but I put it to you that there is a place on Wikipedia for timelines-qua-timelines, even if the hump is for the most part the most boring, quotidian part. And if your computer crashes, hey, it's 2014. kencf0618 (talk) 04:27, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Do we actually need two separate timeline pages in addition to the main articles? Even the "timeline summary" is little more than a table with 518 rows and one inline source. bobrayner (talk) 00:37, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


  1. ^ http://www.newscentralasia.net/Articles-and-Reports/471.html
  2. ^ http://www.dailynk.com/english/read.php?cataId=nk00100&num=5588
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