Talk:2011 China floods

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more info[edit]

Info here says flooding depth 6.5 foot [1]

possible underground anthrax contaminating drinking water here [2]

Rice acreage in five flooded provinces accounts for nearly half of China's total rice area [3]

95 total casualties according to this [4]

In Xiannang's submerged Tongcheng county, over 11.8 inches (300 millimeters) of rainfall fell within four hours, a record [5]


OK the population map I added earlier has gone no problem, I thought population Map was better than nothing - as it gave an indication of percentage casualties. But basically it was useful to me because it named the provinces and I don't know my way around china - here's an interactive map that might be useful but it would be even better if someone could add blue for flooding that kind of thing anyone know how to go about that ? and if you happen to a proper tech wiz, can it be interactive and toggle flooding and casualties on and off based on data that could be entered in a dynamic table ? Or whatever the right words are to ask for the best display of flood, casualty, evac and location data is :) EdwardLane (talk) 22:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Click any province in yellow for more info. Go here for image description.
Qinghai Gansu Sichuan Yunnan Shaanxi Guizhou Shanxi Henan Hubei Hunan Guangdong Hainan Hebei Heilongjiang Jilin Liaoning Shandong Jiangsu Anhui Zhejiang Jiangxi Fujian Taiwan (Claimed)China provinces numbered.svg
About this image
I was actually trying to make a map earlier showing the flooding, but I can't find a source that says what 13 provinces have been flooded.--Banana (talk) 03:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Not sure but this (google translated chinese water ministry page) looks interesting with several dams looking like they have exceeded their flood water levels today. There is still quite a lot in chinese that I can't follow - and I think there a few mistranslations - for example I think 'library' probably means 'storage' or something similar. EdwardLane (talk) 09:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
got a bit further with that website here's the english language tab
The average annual precipitation in different regions of Mainland China and Taiwan.

the average rainfall in the region is displayed here but that understandably looks like a report of the extent of the flooding - which it naturally resembles but that is not correct. If a tech wiz wants to create a nice map showing the actual flooding, the various casualties, and the difference between the expected rainfall in an area and the actual rainfall so far this year in the various areas that would be fab. EdwardLane (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

another item that looks interesting - as the Yangtze is clearly one of the big flood risks

Map of the location of the Three Gorges Dam, Sandouping, Yichang, Hubei Province, China and major cities along the Yangtze River

hmm more geograhphy stuff

Yellow river plus cities

Ongoing Disaster[edit]

I was thinking about adding this article to the sidebar for ongoing events - disasters section. But I don't know where to nominate it for that, the article has been nominated at ITN - but I don't know if that makes any difference to its inclusion in the sidebar? Can it just be added there without any nomination process? EdwardLane (talk) 12:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Done EdwardLane (talk) 13:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

average rainfall image was removed?[edit]

I know it's not the most useful image but surely better than nothing - it's at least related to the subject - someone want to make a better one ? I'm putting it back for now.

EdwardLane (talk) 20:44, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Date formatting[edit]

Just a quick note to everyone: be sure to maintain date formatting as per WP:MOSDATE. Cheers, -- 李博杰  | Talk contribs email 05:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I had it all in that format at one point - then changed it all, didn't realise date formats had a MOS section. Thanks EdwardLane (talk) 09:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)


All currencies are stated in United States Dollars and Euros to recongize the right cost. Please do not remove the euros until you contact me if its wrong or not. --Katarighe (talk) 17:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

It should be right--Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 16:00, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Jiang means River[edit]

Ok I just checked in google using phonetic spelling and the word 'Jiang' appears to mean 'River'

So any red links to various rivers may be because the river is getting called the XXXjiang River or just the XXX river. I'm not sure what the common practice is in this case. Hmm, looks like that might need a consistant approach across all rivers in Chinese speaking areas, I'll see if I can get a consensus on the 'Talk:List_of_rivers_of_China'

EdwardLane (talk) 10:22, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

See WP:NC-ZH#Topographical. The generally accepted conventions/guidelines in effect asks editors to avoid such pleonasms as "Mudanjiang River". —HXL's Roundtable and Record 13:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I'm finding lots with this search. Many have been changed. Many remain. Would you like me to move the rest to the appropriate names? (e.g. Qianjiang River --> Qian River) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:57, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Well it seems like a good idea to get rid of the 'pleonasms' (a new word for me today - think I'd have used tautology) but carefully, on a case by case basis as there appear for instance to be more than one 'Lan' river so, in that case I changed the red links for 'Lanjiang River' into redlinks for 'Lan(Zhejiang) River' - also I'm noticing that Dams and their respective reservoirs all seem mixed up with articles on one or the other but rarely both, several of these Dams also seemed to have the xxxjiang river dam too. EdwardLane (talk) 15:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Anna asked me to comment on this so here goes. Jiang (江) does indeed mean river as does he (河), However, there are specific cases where the niceties of translations are ignored - for example the Yangtze River is referred to by the Chinese as the Chang Jiang (长江), literally the "long river" which nobody who isn't Chinese would recognize. However, in the examples quoted above, Mudanjiang River should just be Mudan River, the same goes for Qianjiang River -> Qian River. I think that this is a historical problem caused by non-Chinese speakers creating articles when they don't know the underlying meaning of the words, the same goes for shan (山) - mountain and probably a bunch of other geographical features too. ► Philg88 ◄ Star.pngtalk 11:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

since end of june[edit]

I've been updating the casualty totals for the various provinces fairly accurately - but I've got rather busy in work, so I've had less spare time, as such the totals have not been updated properly since the end of june - state news apparently announced total casualties now stand at 355 dead and 112 missing. So I've updated the lead to that effect. If youre interested in more recent info do a google news search for 2011 china floods - and sort it by date you should get a bunch more info. EdwardLane (talk) 10:07, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

still some flooding[edit]

I've not been updating the article for a while, but still some ongoing flooding

Four people died, 140,000+ were evacuated, 2.49 million 'affected' in Guangxi Zhuang Autonomous Region by floods from tropical storm Nesat reported here

in Hainan, 29 trapped on a mountain after floods reported here

Guangxi province on October 3, 2011 streets flooded reported here

There is a good resource for keeping updated on floods in china here

Total dead or missing by the end of june looks not have risen much - and since then flooding looks to have mostly subsided (or is not reported) each tropical storm/typhoon brings economic losses, but not many look to be reporting casualties. I've not got time to update this into the article. EdwardLane (talk) 08:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

2012 China floods[edit]

The 2012 flood season has killed at least 800 people so far in China, accounting for the vast majority of deaths due to natural disasters in the months of May, June, and July in China. The death toll is much higher than in 2011, so an article is needed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:51, 10 August 2012 (UTC)