Talk:2014 Winter Olympics

How can you Have Plans for olympic 2014?

I just dont understand how someone can plan ahead winter olympics for 2014 when we dont no whats gonna happen in 2011-2012-2013-2014.Thats just crazy i hope we do make it cause i wanna watch it i love winter olympics but God Say Speak Those things as if they was... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.97.238.50 (talk) 04:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

First Olympics held by Russia, period

Russia was within the Soviet Union, during the 1980 Summer Olympics. However, we should be saying that 2014 will be the first Olympics (Winter or Summer) to be held in the Russian Federation. GoodDay (talk) 15:27, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 16:14, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

The relevance of the S400 SAM comment?

Can someone explain to me how the inane comment by Russia's Air Force chief that an S-400 SAM could provide security for the 2014 Winter Olympics relevant to the actual security of the Sochi Winter Olympics? Since when is SAM deployment considered to be so important to the security of Winter Olympics that it merits a mention on the wikipedia article? Is there a mention of the type of SAM that was providing security cover during Vancouver or Salt Lake City games? How is SAM relevant to security of these games? Is there a valid concern of an air strike on Sochi by some foreign country during the Winter games? Russian politicians, specially those in the military, have a tendency to make odd, sensationalist, PR oriented comments that have little relevance. That doesn't mean they always need to be copied into wikipedia articles. So, I am thinking of removing this section of the article (just the S400 paragraph). Let me know what you think. Urchalka2000 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:11, 21 April 2010 (UTC).

Well I assume it's because it near the Georgian border and well in the past they had the reputation for military actions during the Olympics when should be a time for international peace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.38.211 (talk) 15:37, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Who are "they"??? If you refer to the Russian Army, I am in full agreement with you.ZMatskevich (talk) 04:06, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Who attacked South Ossetia on 08.08.2008 in times of Beijing Olympic`s ?

Was this a funny monkey from Tibilisi (Geogria), who likes buys NATO military equipment and rockets...and when he gets into trouble he likes to eat his own ties ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.199.147 (talk) 21:26, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Nativity of Circassic peoples

I understand that until recently the History of Sochi (written as an ancillary page starting last October) claims that Greeks preceded the Circassic presense in Sochi- however it is incorrect. The Aehi, as well as the Maeotae, the Sindi and so on... are among the ancestors of Circassians. Furthermore, there were Zygii in the area, but only briefly, the real land of hte Zygii lay further east. The author is probably confusing them with the Roman Zychoi, whom the Romans asserted were the same people as the Zygii but in fact weren't (such things are not uncommon, for Mediterranean peoples to confuse obscure-to-them peoples of the Caucasus). --Yalens (talk) 16:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I am sorry but this is not accurate and any person with a background in History, Anthropology or Geography in this area can refute that. Aehi, Zygii and other local tribes are not connected to the Circassic or apart of the same language family. They Circassic are more new comers from the 14 century. Ancient Greeks also came to this region via the Black Sea in the 5th–6th centuries BC. Then the Byzantine Empire and later the Republic of Genoa. Also Circassic were never a unified people nor shared common language or culture which is hinted at. If you can provide informations, please do. This section seems very unrelated and unimportant to 2014 Olympics. It one thing to put protest information and mention that but another to downright put biased and misleading information. Information to look into. http://books.google.com/books?id=0OVRAW0k0UUC&pg=PA64-IA1#v=onepage&q&f=false Glanville Price (1998), Encyclopedia of the Languages of Europe, p. 60. Blackwell Publishing William Smith, LLD. Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography. London. Walton and Maberly, Upper Gower Street and Ivy Lane, Paternoster Row; John Murray, Albemarle Street. 1854. TomasSpain (talk) 20:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, first, you should indent replies with a colon. Okay, for your info... Zygii have disputed ethnicity, some say they were Nakh, others say they were Circassians, and still others say they were both (they were, after all, a confederation). The Romans however, used the name Zichoi/Zichi (derived from the Greek) to refer to a tribe that was definitely Circassian. The name Zikia was even used as an equivalent for Circassia and/or specifically Ubykhia during the Renaissance period. Strabo apparently also once referred to the "Zygi" as such: "the Heniochi are the Abkazeti. Achtæans, Zygi, and Heniochi" ([[1]]- a translation from Greek available online). It doesn't take much guessing to figure out what people the the Abkazeti are nowadays! And Heniochi, too, is used to be synonomous with Adyge-Abkhaz peoples.

As for some good sources for the long Circassian history, going back to the Maeotae and the Sindi, there is plenty right here on Wiki, but if you want links, here are a couple.

• [[2]]- This pdf is available free at the Caucasus scholar Amjad Jaimoukha's site. It is about the ancient predecessors of the Circassians. He also has a handful of books about Circassian history, notable Circassians: A Handbook (that's another), which also gives good linguistic info. I don't have it on hand right now, though one can order it if wanted at Jaimoukha's site, here [[3]]. Amjad Jaimoukha is in general well sourced, with historical, archaeological and linguistic info, and is regarded as a primary source for these sorts of topics.
• As I noted earlier, Strabo's translations. Of course, I would not consider Mediterranean scholars who know little about the region a primary source, but there you have it.

I could go on getting more sources, but really, I hope you get the idea, and you can look through wiki. Lastly though, I am changing 3000 BCE because honestly I didn't put that and I don't believe you can quantify it. We do know, though, that Circassians' ancestors have inhabited Circassia since the onset of recorded history...--Yalens (talk) 01:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

You have yet to provide any creditable proof or sources other then your personal opinion. I have provided tons of Historical and archeology information from variety of sources unlike this Propaganda. I do not care for Russia but you are downright misleading and dishonest and on the level as this other user comments below.TomasSpain (talk) 19:46, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Did I not just post those links... did you even read them?--Yalens (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

There is a good thing to know who Circassians were. To know where they were living in the past and what culuture and religion they were. Their history must be learned in modern day schools, historical institutions and national musseums. But now we live in modern world. In Krasnodar teritory where mayority of population is Russian. And christianity is predominant religion there.

For example an ancient Greeks, Romans, Gauls, Vlachs, Celts, Iliric people...were once landlords and inhabitants of Europe. Later new tribes and people came and settled on their territories mainly by force. So now there would be complete nonsense and idiocy, if some obscure groups of romantic utopists would claim back their ancient land and pagan religion back, from european countries of today. Or for example if modern Turkey would claim back Ottoman Empire conquered terittories from Europe, Russia, Arabs...etc. Or defeated Germany would claim back territories from Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, France, Kaliningrad, Baltic... where they were expeld and forced out after the WW2 ended.

This is a complete nonsense and romantic utopism.

This is the part of history.

One fact is clear. Today Sochi and Krasnodar teritory is Russian property. We Russians have the mayority population there, and we won`t allow that some criminal marginal groups in Turkey or somwhere else, threatens our population safety or our winter Olympic games plans in 2014. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.199.147 (talk) 11:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This post seems more like a Russian nationalist rant than a useful comment, however I will extract the part that implies that you acknowledge that Circassians are native to Circassia (

There is a good thing to know who Circassians were. To know where they were living in the past and what culuture and religion they were. Their history must be learned in modern day schools, historical institutions and national musseums. But now we live in modern world. In Krasnodar teritory where mayority of population is Russian. And christianity is predominant religion there...For example an ancient Greeks, Romans, Gauls, Vlachs, Celts, Iliric people...were once landlords and inhabitants of Europe. Later new tribes and people came and settled on their territories mainly by force."). Hence, you also support my side of this debate (even though you probably have no idea what it is about). But next time please try to be on topic with the topic at hand here... the topic is whether Circassians are native and descended from the ancient peoples of the region (which they are), not Russian fears of Circassians forming a separate state (which probably won't happen anyways, the way it looks right now)...--Yalens (talk) 18:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Caucassian black monkeys have allways cried and protest about russian nationalism. Becouse Russian nationalism today is the most healthy and natural form of russian national self-indentification. Becouse after 90 years of marxist-leninist utopism and communist dictatorship, Russian nation has finnaly got their rights back to rise back from asshes and get their national indentity back.

Allot of new black monkey bosses from caucassus (and abroad) with long afro haircuts and greasy beards thought, that after USSR colapsed they would easily proclaim their new mohamedian banana republics on caucassus and expelled all ethinc Russians out of caucassian republics.

Becouse of this attrocities, it is only natural that ethinc Russians formed their own self protection mechanisms (nationalism) against this disseses that invaded Russia in 90`s.

Russians do not have any fears of Cirassian formation of new separate state, becouse the formation of Circassian state on Krasnodar territoriy sounds like classical Monty Phyton commedy scketch about Mr. Hilter plans for invading Great Britain from small coffehouse in Minehead, Somerset in England.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.199.147 (talk) 20:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

You are way off topic, with horrendous spelling, and what you are saying is potentially quite offensive to many people ("black monkies", really?). If you continue to post such material, it will be regarded as spam. --Yalens (talk) 22:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Sochi Olypmic facilities built on mass graves

Why is Greyhound trying to remove factual information about Russian genocide in Circassia and building of Sochi Olympic facilities on or near mass grave sites ? The Olympic facilities in Sochi are being built in areas that contain mass graves of Circassians that were killed during ethnic cleansing by Russia in military campaigns lasting from 1860 to 1864. Circassian organizations in Russia and the Circassian diaspora around the world are asking to stop construction on the bones of the Circassians, and not to hold the Olympics on the place of the genocide. Georgia has recognized Circassian ethnic cleansing by Russia as Circassian Genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.117.182.104 (talk) 18:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Do you think what is already there is insufficient?--Yalens (talk) 18:21, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Map of the coastal cluster

The map is unfortunately now wrong. The facility for Curling has been moved to the western part of the cluster. The map should therefore be redrawn. 195.169.141.54 (talk) 13:39, 5 September 2011 (UTC)