Talk:410 Tactical Fighter Operational Training Squadron

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Dates of combat for Schultz[edit]

The Mosquitos Aces of World War II book gives Schultz's 5th victory occuring on 13/14 February 1945, the online archive copies of his personal combat reports show this as happening on 13/14 February 1944, see the search results. Having read the combat reports in full, he claimed 1 Do217 on 15/16 August 1943 (plus three railway locos three goods wagons and bombed a railway bridge), 3 Do217 on 10 December 1943, 1 Ju188 13/14 February 1944 (so this was defintiely his fifth kill as stated in the book, just got the year wrong), 1 Ju188 10/11 April 1945 and 2 Ju88s on 21/22 April 1945. Everything else ties up with the book's account, the author just seems to have slipped up on this one date.

Now normally we prefer to go secondary sources, not primary, but it seems silly to perpetuate an error made by another author - arguably the dates the dates given in the online catalogue are secondary as well.

I also notice that this book credits 409 Squadron with being the highest scoring nightfighter unit in 2nd TAF, after D-Day. David Underdown (talk) 15:24, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, although this one secondary source, the book, states that 409 was the highest scoring squadron, another secondary source, the website, states that the top scoring squadron was indeed 410. So to makes this easy, here is what I propose:
Fine on the top-scoring bit, what about the discrepancies over Schultz? David Underdown (talk) 08:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I have fixed it because I believe that the National Archives has the right of it. TARTARUS talk 13:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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This has been fixed. TARTARUS talk 21:19, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Check for RS[edit]

TARTARUS talk 15:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Section: The future[edit]

I removed this section because it is pure speculation. There may be sources cited, but these sources are speculation as well. See wp:FUTURE. This section would best be described in point 3: Articles that present extrapolation, speculation, and "future history" are original research and therefore inappropriate. The section is also not relevant to the article since it assumes the squadron will exist years down the road and indeed be using updated F18s or this aircraft's replacement. Any such discussion would probably better belong in the F18 article, but even in this article, it would be speculation and not appropriate.--BCtalk to me 01:07, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


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Richard asr (talk) 13:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

I have altered the section structure a little, I hope this is alright but I think it flows better now.

I assumed, in the introductory section to the Second World War, in the passage of text that describes the uncertainty whether 410 Squadron or 409 Squadron had the greatest number of kills between D-day and the Battle of the Bulge, that '1943' was a typo and I have corrected it to '1944 to 1945'. Better check, though, that I haven't misunderstood.

Similarly, in the section Battle of the Bulge, 3rd paragraph down, Rayne Schultz couldn't claim a kill in the 'final months of the war' on 13/14 February 1944. I have changed it to 1945 which seems to fit the flow of the text. Again, hope I haven't misunderstood.

In the section D-day and the invasion of Europe, I removed a short sentence about the baby Blitz, since from the article I read from the link, the baby Blitz had finished by April 1944, I think it was.

Regards Richard asr (talk) 13:34, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Have just read the info at the top of this discussion page. Will amend the passage on Rayne Schultz. Please check it though. Richard asr (talk) 13:45, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

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  1. ^ "Royal Canadian Air Force - 410 Squadron". Retrieved 13 December 2008. 
  2. ^ Thomas, Andrew; Davey, Chris (2005). Mosquito Aces of World War 2. Osprey Publishing. p. 42. ISBN 1841768782.