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Copyright permission[edit]

I don't mind that the material here was taken from the article I wrote on my web site; I give permission for WP to use it and I don't consider it a violation of my copyright on the material. DanielLevitin 03:34, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Evidence points strongly to the assertion that Levitin wrote the first version of this article. On July 24, 2004, IP 132.216.90.117 from McGill University in Canada put up the first version of the page after trying two related test edits in the sandbox. The IP's only other edit was a bit of expansion to the Daniel Levitin page. It seems that Levitin, professor in the psychology department at McGill, is telling the truth when he says he gives permission for this article to contain his own writing, which also appears on his website as "A Brief History of 415 Records". I think we are okay, that there is nobody harmed by the text in this article. Binksternet (talk) 08:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes it does appear that way, however, please do not take offense when I say that he still needs to follow the appropriate process for releasing such material for use here, which insofar as can be ascertained, he has not. Leaving a note on the talk page does not meet the requirements. Also, as is noted in bold at the top of the template added, please do not restore the material again until the matter is resolved. There are instructions on the template that you can use to help resolve it, including participating in the discussion on the topic at copyright problem investigation page, here. duff 09:08, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Further, allow me to be very clear in that I am not suggesting that anyone is not telling the truth, nor that anyone is being harmed by the text in this article. I plan to improve the article, because it needs quite a bit of work; scarce citations being one issue. I had barely begun to do so when I discovered the problem, which will need resolution before I continue. Thanks very much for your help getting it resolved. duff 09:57, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
I hereby donate my copyrighted material about 415 Records from my website http://www.psych.mcgill.ca/levitin/415.html to Wikipedia and I have indicated this as well in an email to permissions-en[at]wikimedia[dot]org. DanielLevitin. 15:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for the generous donation, Daniel Levitin, and for following up in this way. A new article for 415 has been started, as was recommended in the previous edit summary notes and suggested on the copyright problem notice, using your website as one of its references and citing it clearly. I have also taken the liberty of citing that same article of yours (on your website), on a few other articles I'm working on, as it is rich with details that can improve many other articles. Thank you for writing it. The temporary 415 article, pending resolution of the copyright problem, is still under development (like everything else on wikipedia =D ) and can be accessed here.duff 22:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Mr Levitin, one other thing...perhaps you could also indicate/confirm here that in that email, as explained here, you have specifically granted this permission under both the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0. License and under the GNU Free Documentation License? Thanks again.duff 22:50, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Cool! Thank you! duff 02:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I granted permission under both. DanielLevitin (talk) 03:57, 30 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.18.42 (talk)

Parent Company: Sony BMG ?[edit]

Sony BMG appears not in the article, but only in the infobox. Is there some connection between Sony BMG and 415 Records, and if so, shall we articulate and cite that connection in the article? duff 10:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sony/BMG now owns all of the Columbia (and 415/Columbia) catalog. DanielLevitin (talk) 02:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Major Rewrite[edit]

For your consideration: a full rewrite, incorporating all information that actually pertains to 415 Records from the original article and cited as such. Removed much peacockery and removed further details of Popular Metaphysics work, as that was a different label (page forthcoming). Note: that information was also incorrect, citably, but all belongs in the other articles about that label and its partners and artists. Same goes for the post-415-bios/resume's of the partners, with the possible exception of a brief linked mention of where they landed when Pearlman bought the label. The rest belongs in their bios, some of which are not yet written (redlinked partners). Arranged the ideas from the main source, Levitin, in chronological order for better flow from this to that and more understandeable. Lots of citations, numerous sources, and plenty more to add for the intrepid. I believe that this is the proper way to show great respect for and incorporate information (by citing it) from an expert in the field, who is closely connected not just to the subject, but to the company, and who has published his knowledge on his webpage at the university where he now teaches. Thanks for letting me take a swing at it. duff 17:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

All looks good. Two points: Pearlman did not change the name of the label, it remained 415 Records. At around the same time, though, he worked out a P&D Deal with Al Teller, then president of MCA (and formerly president of CBS when the 415/Columbia deal was struck) for a new label called Popular Metaphysics. So Pearlman owned two labels at that time. DanielLevitin (talk) 02:55, 30 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.80.18.42 (talk)
Apparently (according to the page history) the detail on Pearlman's change of the label name was in the original copied copyrighted Levitin document, which until recently was available on the McGill website, as cited. That document is currently inaccessible (dead link), and thus one of the major sources for the material in this article needs re-sourcing or a wayback reference. I searched '415' unsuccessfully on the new Levitin website, where that source document appears not to have been transferred. Can you provide a new link to that source article or shall I source it via wayback? If the detail on the label name change is factually incorrect, that should be corrected...for which a citeable source would be extremely helpful. duff 08:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, here's a 1990-published source, used in the Pearlman article, clearly indicating that 415 became Popular Metaphysics: http://books.google.com/books?id=7iXXyenlU6sC&q=%22Popular+Metaphysics%22+Pearlman&dq=%22Popular+Metaphysics%22+Pearlman duff 19:22, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I've never heard of this guy Tom Schedler and doubt that he was Sandy's head of A&R. What is the source for this? DanielLevitin (talk) 04:01, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Hmmm. The article history indicates that the Schedler bit was added on September 7, 2009, by an IP editor, and was unsourced. A later post changed it to add "...bringing in Tommy Justin (Tom Schedler) to be head of the A&R department...", though that edit appears to have been swiftly reverted by a bot, as possible vandalism, which no one protested. I kept Schedler in the rewrite, aiming at preservation of all the relevant material, but since it's unsourced (and thus questionable), I'll place a citation needed tag there for now, and let's see if either Tommy Justin or Tom Schedler (aka?) can be sourced. duff 08:48, 29 February 2012 (UTC)