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- 1 "See also"
- 2 Way too much stuff
- 3 Conjectural Phrasing?
- 4 Removing reference to 616
- 5 bar code
- 6 Remove all the 500+100+50+10+5+1 nonsense
- 7 Some mathematical fun with 666
- 8 Factorization format
- 9 Something I heard
- 10 22.214.171.124
- 11 'Things going smoothly'
- 12 Babylonian "angle"
- 13 Isaiah 66:6
- 14 userbox for people obsessed with 666
- 15 Comment moved from article
- 16 616
- 17 Alternative visions
- 18 isopsephy
- 19 Doom Computer Game
- 20 Recent Addition
- 21 Just A Question
- 22 Ugly math section
Well, I've removed it. —Simetrical 20:03, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Way too much stuff
Okay, this is just ridiculous. Some of this is marginally interesting, but honestly, saying what Alt-666 will get you? Why not add what Unicode character 666 is? (There isn't one; it skips straight from 601 to 710.) Or how about adding what day of the week June 6, 1966 was? (It was a Monday.) I mean, come on! I'm considering the removal of:
- All "the 666th X is Y", like "The 666th non square-free number is 1701." This is not a mathematical property of 666.
- Stupidly obvious stuff, like "666 is the 333rd even number".
- The entries about and Ü.
Any opinions? If nobody objects, I'll just delete the stuff, and narrow the entry down mostly to legitimate mathematical properties. —Simetrical 20:17, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- I agree with you, but it seems you never got around to this. Since nobody has responded to this. I will leave it a couple of days to give people time to object, then do it myself. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Hold on, it appears that some of this stuff has gone and some new junk has crept in. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 20:50, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the following from the article:
Curious indeed that the Roman Empire was the most prominent empire in the world at the time this number originally became symbolically attached to "the Devil".
It sounds conjectural and opinionated, IMHO. If anyone wishes to reinstate it, I've copied it here in case it needs to be put back in. The sentence comes after "It is also curious that the Roman numeral representation of the number 666 (DCLXVI) uses once each of the Roman numeral symbols with values under 1,000, and that they are in exact reverse order of their respective values (D = 500, C = 100, L = 50, X = 10, V = 5, I = 1)." Mitsukai 15:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
That statement obviously disregards the Chinese Empire, which is equal or greater to the Roman Empire.- annoymous Yes, but here <annoymous> assumes that there is only one force acting at a given time, however one cannot negate the fact that to every force, there is an equal and opposite force opposing it.
Removing reference to 616
I've removed the following:
- In 2005, an early fragment of papyrus was revealed that gives the Number of the Beast as 616. However, other early witnesses, such as Irenaeus, dispute the reading "616." 666 remains the most widely recognized number.
My explanation is at Talk:Number of the Beast (numerology)#Not 616.
I heard a 'rumour' that the codes at either end and in the middle of the typical bar code are codes for 6, symbolising 666. The bar code is oft hypothesised as being a potential 'mark of the beast'. Any evidence for this, I wonder...
666 Techno Megamix everyheard? --Jingofetts 20:29, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
Urban legend. I purpose adding it to the article. http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp 126.96.36.199
- you're talking about EAN-13 codes. I already added that to Number of the Beast --androl 14:05, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Remove all the 500+100+50+10+5+1 nonsense
Most of this is trivial, and essentially unimportant. Many base ten systems will arrive at this same value, because they simply use a value of 10^n and 10^n/2 denominations to decrease the number of elements required.
As such, adding up all the Euro bills will get you 666, just because each tens place has a 1 and 5. It seems like an extremely stupid, and uninteresting feature for me.
- wrong, 500+200+100+50+20+10+5 = 885 Euro --androl 18:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
If it must be kept, a more interesting phrasing should be used that expresses the reason why all these 500+100+50+10+5+1s add up to 666 rather than just mentioning that they do. Something like, "While not the most spectacular fact, since each digit of the number 666 is equal to 5+1, numerous counting systems will add up to 666 if you use each element, such as the roman numeral system, Japanese yen coins, and European bills."
Honestly, I relate this nature of 666 to the same level of useless information as "666 is the 333rd even number", it's like, hey, if you think about it for two seconds, you see that it wasn't even interesting to think about for two seconds.
Some mathematical fun with 666
I got this by email some time ago, but I think some/all of it exist also in mathworld. I'll let the other honourable editors to decide wether or not use the following info.
If we take the first seven prime numbers, 2² + 3² + 5² + 7² + 11² + 13² + 17² = 666 we get the Number of the Beast.
- Uh, the first prime number is 1 isn't it?
- No, the definition of a prime number is a number divisible by itself and one, or having only two factors. One can only be divided by one so only has one factor and is not a prime number ---Cheeseman1 15:20, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The sum of 1 to 6*6 is 1 + 2 + ... + 6*6 = 666 666 has the powers of 6 and of 6's divisors: 1⁶ - 2⁶ + 3⁶ = 666 666 is a complete number, it contains all the numbers in a row: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 567 + 89 = 666 And also 123 + 456 + 78 + 9 = 666 And now reversed: 9 + 87 + 6 + 543 + 21 = 666
I just reverted Yarnalgo's change to factorization. While I myself don't feel strongly either way, the usual format for other numbers seems to be math mode, not plain text, and it sould be the same for 666. Yours, Huon 12:52, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Something I heard
Has anyone else ever heard this theory. I have heard it twice, but if anyone has any more imformation on its orgin please let me know.
- There is a theory/idea regarding the biblical meaning of 666. Man was created on the sixth day and the Supreme Being is three persons (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). Therefore the number 6 represents man and the fact that it is repeated three times implies that man is trying to be God. SouthJunkie 14:22, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
- There is some validity to this because "7" is considered by many theologians to be "God's number" and representing perfection or completion (the world was created in 6 days, God rested on the 7th). Some links:
- I couldn't find any reference but the Orthodox(Eastern) Church's theory is that the number of the Beast as found in the original text(Greek numerals:letter chi, letter ksi and letter stigma) represent the Man(stigma:value 6,created the sixth day) trying to reach God(Ch'i: value 600, first letter of Ch'rist) and the serpent(ksi:value 60,is used because of the letter's resemblance ) intervene.
Panin is particularly relevant to the discussion in that he did a lot of work on investigating the numbers, and the numerical structure of the Bible. While his work is controversial, is to provide some background to the significance of numbers like 666 and 7 in Christian culture and the Bible as a whole. --Gar2chan 23:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Stop vandalising the page, no one cares who Dane is. --188.8.131.52 00:13, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
'Things going smoothly'
"In Chinese culture, 666 sounds a lot like the words 'Things going smoothly'."
There are many Chinese languages, which one; Mandarin? Cantonese? etc? 184.108.40.206 07:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
- At least Mandarin: "liù, liù, liù". Not sure which tone "smooth" takes, but I'm fairly certain (without looking it up and verifying it) that it's also "liu" so it would at least sound fairly similar, if not exactly the same. Lou 03:06, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
- That would be "666" (six six six) not "666" (six-hundred sixty-six).
- In Japanese that would be "Roppyaku Rokujū Roku". "In Chinese culture, 666 sounds a lot like the words 'Things going smoothly'." is not an appropriate sentence for Wikipedia. I think it would be "In Chinese language" anyways...
- In Chinese it is "Liu-bai Liu-shi Liu" which really doesn't sound much like "Things going smoothly"... moocowsruletalk to moo 22:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
In Revelations, The Beast is also associated with [Babylon]. The Babylonian numbering system is [Sexagesimal], ie base sixty. The [shekel] also originates in ancient [Babylon], [Sumer], and [Akkad]. There are 180[base sixty] grains to a [shekel], 60 [base sixty] shekels to a [mina], and 60 [base sixty] minas to a [talent]. Obviously overlooked, there are 60 [base sixty]seconds to a minute, 60 [base sixty] minutes to an hour, and in ancient [Persian calendar], there were 360 [base sixty] days in one year. There are 360 [base sixty] degrees in a circle, 60 [base sixty] arc minutes to a degree, 60 [base sixty]arc seconds to an arc minute. The sexagesimal numbering system cannot be ignored in any attempt to understand the human significance of the number 666. The context of 666 in its associations with the [number of the Beast], [Babylon], [evil], [currency], [mammon], [time], [earth], and [global commerce], are very important in letting 'him who has understanding' recognize the significance. 220.127.116.11 05:30, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Babylon is mentioned several times in the book of Revelation. It was the ancient capital of what is now present day Iraq. At the time of the first Iraq war, the United Nations issued several resolutions. Resolution 666 severely restricted the goods that could be traded with Irag. This resolution is almost identical to the 666 Prophecy -Nothing can be bought or sold without the mark of the Beast. The belief that the beast is the Devil comes from the popular film "The Omen". Several Beasts in the book of Revelation are on the side of the Angels. The term "beast" should be interpreted as someone with power or authority. This is the role of the United Nations Secretary General. He used the authority of a United Nations vote to start the first Iraq war. The statement that the mark will be on the hand or forehead is - like much of the text - pure fantasy to present a strong visual image. We can only hope that Armageddon is still in the distant future - but it is coming ever closer. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.104.22.168 (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
Isaiah 66:6 Isaiah 66:6 (New International Version) New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
6 Hear that uproar from the city, hear that noise from the temple! It is the sound of the LORD repaying his enemies all they deserve.
22.214.171.124 07:34, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
userbox for people obsessed with 666
Comment moved from article
Metric system: While various systems like FPS have given way to metric system which basically is a decimal system. Eg 10 milli metre is 1 centi metre.
Time: Time is still measured in units of 6. 6 x 10 = 60 seconds in a minute, 6 x 10 = 60 minutes in 1 hour, 6 x 12 = 24 hours a day, 6 x 2 = 12 months a year.
Space: 6 x 60 = 360 degrees, a measure of space.
If the digit six was indespensible, i really wonder why haven;t we modified the units of time and space in such a way that metric system takes over?
666 isn't the number of the beast. Which renders the entire section about the Devil false. The oldest copy of the New Testament known reduces the number to 616. It was also on the televison show QI.  I'm not saying remove the section. After all, 666 is still the most recognized. But at least include 616.
- This article is about the number 666. The short summary in this article is not, as far as I know, false: the bible that most people read does say 666, and whether or not this was the number John of Patmos actually perceived in his vision, it is the number that have percolated into the public metaphor-space. You don't see rock bands calling themselves or their songs 616 when they want to shock their parents. The main article Number of the Beast contains discussion of the 616/665/666 issue, and that it where it ought to be. –Henning Makholm 01:55, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
What about to add subject with this reference:
That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!
Shouldn't there be something about isopsephy* on this page? *(the greek system of adding up the number values of the letters in a word to form a single number)
Becouse greek for 'The great beast' is 'To Mega Therion'. When you write this in greek (which i can't on a computer), and use isopsephy, the values will add up to 666.
- The purpose of such sums is to make claims or speculation about the beast, and it's covered in Number of the Beast. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
Doom Computer Game
The article claims that Doom uses TCP port 666 however the original Doom and Doom2 never supported TCP/IP. Origianl Doom for DOS only supported Null-model Cable, Modem, and IPX. Perhaps Doom95 or user createdDoom engines support TCP and use port 666. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.96.36.199 (talk) 18:29, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
- More to the point: Any number divisible by 6 can be written that way, and is nothing but a complicated way of writing such a number in base 6. Lars T. (talk) 17:10, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
Just A Question
Is there any significance of the 666 talents of gold received by King Solomon in 1 Kings 10:14 (presumably this is an indication of his greed being at odds with God etc.) and could this be linked into the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.8.131.52 (talk) 23:10, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Ugly math section
The first two paragraphs are hard to read because of the font they use. Why is it necessary to write in those two paragraphs and yet it's ok to use 666 almost immediately after? Dougweller (talk) 14:30, 24 January 2014 (UTC)