Talk:6th Army (Wehrmacht)

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Taking the 6th[edit]

Shouldn't this page really be Sixth Army (Germany)? TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 07:17 & 07:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Moving warcrimes into warcrimes section[edit]

Moving mention of Warcrimes in opening statement to the warcrimes section, as it is not a defining characteristic of 6th Army. For reference, note that 45th Infantry Division (United_States) page does not have mention of Biscari massacre in its opening lede. The same will be followed here. Jtf2014 (talk) 05:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)Jtf2014

The purpose of the lede is not to provide "defining characteristics" but rather to summarize the article. Given the 6th Army has a rather long association with war crimes, a mention of them should be included. Note that there was another edit war over a similar sentence about a year ago. It was decided that the lede should mention war crimes, but the phrase should be worded in a neutral way.

Also note, the military units associated with the Wounded Knee Massacre have their crimes noted in the lede. ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:00, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

6th Army consisted of roughly 330,000 men when under Paulus' command. Do you really think that all or even the majority of these men/officer's are "Deeply implicated in war crimes" ? As you are intent of writing? Or do you think that there are some few officers who were involved in war crimes? If it is all or a majority of these 330k then by all means, your statement belongs in the opening "lede" as it would describe what 6th Army was created to do (its purpose if you wish).

If not, you can reference the instances that happened under the warcrimes section of the article just like the other article that was mentioned above.Jtf2014 (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC)jtf2014

The answer to that is Yes, the majority, probably overwhelming majority, of soldiers of the Sixth Army were implicated in war crimes. In the War Crimes section, there was a reference to a BBC documentary that studied the now released records of the Sixth Army stating just that. An omission of that fact in the lede does not provide a true summary of the activities of this particular Wehrmacht military formation and needs to be re-instated.

~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:28, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Prove that the majority of the 330k of the soldiers commited warcrimes.Jtf2014 (talk) 04:11, 13 June 2014 (UTC)jtf2014

Did you even look at the source citations? Specifically the rather fine reporting the BBC did on the subject. They quite bluntly state, summarizing now released Sixth army records, that the scope of warcrimes committed by that formation was enormous. (talk) 22:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)