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India 16th ? I don't think so[edit]

Someone put India in 16th in the 06/07 season while actually they were 19th, messing with the whole table.


Was shootout held[edit]

The article says ''The United Kingdom team announced that drivers Ralph Firman, Robbie Kerr, James Rossiter and Alex Lloyd will be competing in a "shoot-out" test to determine who will get the seat. The test will occur at Brands Hatch on May 23-24". If that shootout has actually taken place the page could do with an update.Moriori July 4, 2005 03:16 (UTC)

The test occurred, but the decision has not been made yet... apparently all were "very impressive". See A1 Team Great Britain. I've updated the page accordingly.

Germany/Italy[edit]

I haven't seen Germany or Italy mentioned anywhere as having teams yet. Can anyone point me to a source for this? Otherwise I think we should move them down to that "countries allotted a franchise" table. Recury 23:45, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I think I was the one who added them and the reason was that they became displayed on the A1 GP website on the right where the list of teams are. This was shortly after A1GP announced "two major European nations" were on the brink of signing up. Strange thing is, the website says here that there are 20 teams now signed up, but there are 21 countries in the list. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 07:49, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, that is weird. I guess it'd probably be best to wait for the season to start before doing anything major. Recury 22:34, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Drivers[edit]

What's the deal with the massive amounts of drivers listed? There seem to be about 1000 listed for Mexico especially. I think we should not put any speculated drivers in, and just wait until they are confirmed, as the lists have gotten a bit out of hand. Thoughts? AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 13:39, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree, the Mexico section is out of hand, I don't know where all of those names came from. As each team is launching at a different time though, I'm not sure we should wait until drivers are confirmed - if a driver has tested for a team, that definitely qualifies them for the table in my opinion. David 5000 16:21, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
I had put a lot of the unconfirmed drivers on there, but I limited it to two drivers per team simply because any more than that made the table look pretty bad. I'm sure whoever added the Mexico ones was going by the official A1 Team Mexico site where they had a list of 8-10 potential drivers up. Either way, Mexico has announced the two official drivers [1] so I just changed it to that and deleted the rest. Recury 18:50, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Team info[edit]

Where can we slot in info about teams? For instance, the NZ team has a quandary because both Reid and Halliday were lapping Paul Ricard at almost exactly the same times so they aren't sure who will get the seat in the first race. Also, the kiwis were particularly impressive in that altho they had only the fourth fastest individial time, Reid and Halliday were faster than any two drivers in any other team. Stuff like that. Also, Halliday can't drive in Germany October 9 because he is contracted to race the Bathurst 500 in Oz. It appears Scott Dixon might get a release from the IRL for that weekend. Moriori 02:23, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

the A1 Team New Zealand page probably.
Right. I concede it is early days yet, but simple navigation of a page is paramount, and having to go to the very bottom of the page to a bunch of pretty pictures to find a team link is user unfriendly. In the Competing Countries box (NZ entry), in the Team column I have linked West Surrey Racing to A1 Team New Zealand. Ok, sometime in the future they may possibly need separate entries, but at the moment they don't, and finding your way to info about the team is much easier. Oh, and although there isn't anything in the NZ team space yet, there will be. There will be. Moriori 03:15, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Stephen Watson[edit]

The article linked to Stephen Watson, an South Afrikan poet. I'm pretty sure this isn't the same man. From the A1GP site I gather that he is a former Formula One test driver and former F3000 driver. I also found a reference that he was with the Arrows team [2]. The thing is I have no clue what the correct Wikipedia article should be: "Stephen Watson (driver)" or "Stephen Watson (racing)" (or something else). It also appears there is a soccer player Steve Watson. What should the Stephen Watson article be? Felsir 09:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

Same thing for John_Wickham. Felsir 09:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
It's usually Stephen Watson (racing driver), but the exact thing you put there doesn't really matter as long as you link to it from the Stephen Watson article. AlbinoMonkey (Talk) 20:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

On linking "World Cup"[edit]

Regarding the recent revesion of the linking of World Cup: I don't think disambiguation is a reason to immediately discount all incoming links. Furthermore, while the World Cup article is a disambiguation page, its opening paragraph is not typical of such and provides relevant information on the use of the term World Cup:

  • A world cup is a type of global sporting competition...
  • Certain sports do not have a world cup...
  • Often, the use of the term cup or championship in this sense is just a choice of words.

which make linking useful.

All, of course, in my humble opinion. Erath 16:51, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia does have a policy of avoiding links to disambiguiation pages, but you do have a point. I think the main problem here is the World cup page, not necessarily your link. The concept of world cups in general is notable/important enough to have its own full-fledged article instead of the dab/stub/list thing it is now and that new article should probably be what we link to. Recury 18:25, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine points. I thought about attempting to make a seperate article for "World cup", but without some more research it would be a little stub... Perhaps the 'disambiguation plus' is the best bet... Erath 20:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Pictures[edit]

You may find some stuff here you can use: www.flickr.com.

Be sure to check the license tags against Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags 4u1e 06:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Reference links to A1 GP website[edit]

All the reference links to the A1 GP website are broken. - DH85868993 14:41, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

All updated following the recent a1gp.com web site upgrade. One link was removed as I could not find the story on the A1GP web site relating to the original release of the 06/07 calendar. All other links have been moved to their new locations on the official site or in one case to another external site. --Jsydave 23:05, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Fourth Season dates[edit]

I have the dates for the Fourth Season if anyone is interested. Moriori 21:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


Problem in Introduction[edit]

This is incorrect: "A1GP (formerly A1 Grand Prix)" should be "formally A1 Grand Prix" as this is the formal name for the series and still is the name for the series. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.147.195.158 (talk) 21:08, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Team List[edit]

Is the team list in a particular order or are they random.MotorSportMCMXC 22:29, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

It's in the alphabetic order. But all teams are not registerd (Russia, Greece). This table isn't useful I think, and a better way to introduce A1 Team can be make. - Rollof1 09:09, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
I suggest replace in "Team" section, the table with all teams final positions by the synthetized table in List of A1 Grand Prix' seasons. All racing series article have their list of champions in their main page. I've added a participative nations table in this section, therefore, the table with all team standings (not really easy to read) is anymore helpful. - Rollof1 (talk) 10:48, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

world map image[edit]

The world map image in the history section isn't accurate for the last season. Can we delete it or someone can update it ? The image must be replaced on the team section. - Rollof1 (talk) 09:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Apparently Diniz made it, so maybe we could ask him to update it? I'm not the best at image editing, so I'm not going to go near it. However, I think we should wait until after Zandvoort before updating? TheChrisD RantsEdits 11:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
OK, I ask Diniz in its talk page after Zandvoort. - Rollof1 (talk) 14:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I just noticed it was out-of-date, fixed it and then saw this section. Better late than never... ;) --Diniz(talk) 21:06, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Nation vs. Constructor?[edit]

According to the article, "it [A1GP] is unique in its field in that competitors represent their nation as opposed to a constructor, the usual format in most formula racing series", but I don't think this is true in case of most formula racing series.

Majority of open wheel single seater racing is one-make formulae, where drivers and competitors don't represent a constructor. And even in series where multiple constructors are present, works teams, that actually represent constructor more than e.g. sponsors, are special cases. F1 is the only formula racing series where each team is also a constructor.

In my opinion, it would be better to state that in A1GP drivers represent their nation as opposed to a racing team in other series. Or maybe using entrant instead of racing team would be even more accurate.

Problem in calling drivers as competitors is that it usually refers to entrants in motor sport rules and regulations. Of course a driver can enter him/herself into a competition, but in professional racing the competitor is a team more usually. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.250.86.227 (talk) 07:31, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

In most other formulae, you have racing teams which drivers race for. Depending on the formula, each team may have different chassis/engine/tyres than other teams, and in some all teams have the same spec of car, but they still can have any driver racing for them.
With A1GP, constructors or normal racing teams are eliminated from the equation, and instead there is a single team for each participating nation. Only drivers who hold a passport in that country may race for the corresponding team, which is different to all other formulae. You don't see any rule saying that only Italian drivers can race for Ferrari since the team is Italian.
In the case of the article, particularly that sentence you mentioned "competitor" respresent the drivers that are racing on behalf of their "nation". A1GP also refers to the teams as "nations" - although I'm not sure if that is just John Watson in the English commentary. TheChrisD RantsEdits 10:24, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
I try again because it looks like you unfortunately missed my point. The problem is generalization of F1. It is misleading to say that in most formula racing series competitors represent a constructor. That is true in F1, but in most series competitors (drivers) represent their racing teams and in A1GP they represent their nation. So the article should state either that competitors represent their nation as opposed to a constructor in Formula One racing or competitors represent their nation as opposed to a racing team, the usual format in most formula racing series. Even though F1 is the best known formula series world wide, it is very different to most other series.
Other mistake in the article is the passport issue. Drivers do not have to a passport of the nation they represent. For example Graham Rahal has raced for Lebanon, but has US citizenship only. He was eligible to represent Lebanon because his grandparents are Lebanese. I can't find a reliable source, but according to TV commentary, driver only needs to have one native grandparent of the represented nation. However this kind of heritage isn't needed if driver holds a passport of his "racing nation". 84.250.86.227 (talk) 09:28, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, but a lot more people would likely know more about F1 than other racing series, and so constructors is more generalized. And it wouldn't make sense to say competitors represent their nation as opposed to a racing team, since technically each nation is a racing team: Each of the A1 Grand Prix teams represent a nation.
What is trying to be said in the opening paragraph, is that it is countries racing, not the usual type of racing team.
As for the passport, I'm not entirely sure what the story is. I think they described it in more detail in the news article announcing that Daniel Morad would be racing for Lebanon. It does have something to do with heritage, but once you race for a team, you can't switch. TheChrisD RantsEdits 10:41, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Is not really a competitor that represent ITS nation but A nation. The seat holder (owner of the team) should not come from the country he represent but he own a team as franchise. So each competitors represent a nation. The drivers who must be linked to their nation, and the racing teams are not primordial like in other racing series.
A driver must have the nationality of their team, but some exception are accepted. In Lebanon, some drivers without lebanese nationality have raced the car because they have lebanese ancestors and because the team have a few elligible drivers to compete. Daniel Morad is Canadian and Lebanese, according to [3] he can race for Lebanon because he never race (he was just rookie) for Canada. So a driver can race for only one team if it's his nation but cannot change in the future (Enrico Toccacelo race for Pakistan that wasn't is nation but this race wasn't elligible for Pakistani standings). But it seam these rules are not fixed and can be adapted by A1GP if necessary.- Rollof1 (talk) 11:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree it's probably best to compare A1GP to F1, and not other series, because people in general are more familiar with F1. But I still don't see any idea providing disinformation like this. If you want to make clear there are nations racing each other instead on constructors in F1, that's ok, but F1 should not be referred as most formula racing series!
I wouldn't say it doesn't make sense to say drivers represent nation as opposed to a racing team, because there are actual racing teams working behind those nations. For example Carlin and Supernova have run several cars, but still each driver was representing his nation instead of the team, and drivers of those teams were not considered team mates in traditional mean. But as said, it's probably better to compare A1GP Nations to F1 constructors... The article, how ever, doesn't do so in it's current state. 84.250.86.227 (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Safety and Medical Cars[edit]

The A1GP Safety Car is a Ferrari 599 GTB, driven by James McAlpine with the observer being Jerry Pyman.The A1GP Medical Car is a Masserati Quattroporte, driven by Lars Viljoen and carrying the series Medical Delegate Dr Paul Trafford and Paramedic John Bettley and a Doctor from the country where the race is being held. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.169.227.19 (talk) 21:14, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Photos[edit]

There is a very nice, freely-licensed set of photos from the recent race at Kyalami here.--Diniz(talk) 21:07, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

and your point is?[edit]

AutosportRacing.com later received articles about Mr Cherry's job at A1 GP, and there were many quotes from many clients who work with A1 saying that they were "confused by what his job actually was".

This is not elaborated upon, and he is not mentioned again within the article. For that reason, I feel that the statement stands alone and has no relevance to the subject. It appears to be a vaguely worded personal attack on either Mr. Cherry or the his employers and does not belong here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.26.130.228 (talk) 02:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Event naming[edit]

Currently all A1GP event pages take on the naming system of "(Year) A1 Grand Prix of Nations, (Country)", which is how the events used to be named - for example, 2008-09 A1 Grand Prix of Nations, Great Britain.

However in the last few years, they have been known as "A1GP (City), (Country)". This can be seen here, where it describes the event as "A1GP Brands Hatch, Great Britain".

Should we keep the old naming system going, for continuity purposes, or should we change it to what the events are now called? Arunby (talk) 22:47, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

You right, A1GP name event like "A1GP Brands Hatch, Great Britain" (as in the stats zone of a1gp.com). If we choose to change event name, we have to rename all races articles and related links. - Rollof1 (talk) 12:04, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Recently (as in the last year or two), the series has been referring to the events at the A1GP Track, Country. However, the original naming scheme aws is currently used is mainly a carry-over from how they were originally referred to in the first couple of seasons, as well as how the original creators of the WikiPorject named them. I wouldn't have any objection to re-naming the articles for last season and this season to the new scheme, but I won't be the one doing it! (Way too much work for me, especially as I still have to update all the team pages...) TheChrisD RantsEdits 17:08, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
I've been updating a few team pages, I can help out with others too. As for event renames, I'll have to look back and see when they stopped referring to them as "A1 Grand Prix of Nations" and started referring to them as "A1GP" events - may even be the 2nd season. Arunby (talk) 18:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Ambiguous statement[edit]

"RAB Capital's Special Situations fund, which lost its bet on A1GP, missed out on the market recovery of 2009 and its shareholders forced manager RAB to allow the entire fund to be put up for sale through a Dutch auction."

Is that an auction in The Netherlands, or a Dutch auction? The Machine (talk) 02:04, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

The End of A1GP?[edit]

What happened in the auction? Antimatter31 (talk) 09:20, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Merger complete[edit]

  YesY Merger complete All information from A1 Grand Prix pointscoring systems has been merged into this article. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:20, 6 January 2013 (UTC)