Talk:ARA Libertad (Q-2)

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Merged article[edit]

This article has been merged with ARA Libertad (Q-2) (April 29, 2007). ●DanMSTalk 23:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

References, sources, citations?[edit]

I've tagged this interesting little article (which AFAIK seems to be accurate) so the (verifiable?) sources used to write it are cited. To the "key" editors that contributed to this article: please add citations, references, bibliography as appropriate. I'll try also to contribute some.
Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 03:55, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Article needs more structure & contents[edit]

Hi, I'll review the structure of this article & rearrange some of the existing text (and possibly adding more) which is now in a "big chunk".
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 04:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

general caracteristics[edit]

It seems to me it is impossible for the vessel speed to be 138 knots. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.60.207 (talk) 12:35, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

According to http://www.shiptracking.eu/ais/#/getvesseldetails?mmsi=701000001 the vessel's speed is 11.8 knots. That seems reasonable for a vessel of that size with a diesel engine. Who's going to change it?

Agent0060 15:09, 3 October 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent0060 (talkcontribs)

these news should be added[edit]

http://www.brecorder.com/world/south-america/83481-ghana-holds-argentine-frigate-over-debt-buenos-aires-.html Lastdingo (talk) 15:34, 4 October 2012 (UTC)

The French were there first (not successful)[edit]

I seem to remember in 2008-ish, when a Russian sailship came to Bergen for the tallshiprace. It was a piece of news that the ship had sailed in express speed beyond the UK. It was the thing to do, as the British were brutal for wanting to arrest a Russian man, who already had fled to Moscow. Actual reason: It may be that when the Ship was at port in the South of France, the French court ruled that collecting debt from the Czar-era meant that you were entitled to arrest that ship at port. The ship made haste for the three mile zone or beyond. If you leg it from France, you do not want to know what the British will do to you.

The difference is, the French did not collect debt that day, were as the Ghanese are one big step closer.

As for my point: any more of similar stories? --83.108.29.226 (talk) 23:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

IMO Number[edit]

I see Ambassador Castro has claimed the IMO have stated that the ARA Libertad doesn't have an IMO number. There is nothing from the IMO on their website, see [1] for example or [2]. Seems that contrary to what the ambassador has claimed that IMO number is used extensively. Per WP:NOTNEWS I'm going to suggest it isn't changed until the IMO comments. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I have removed the IMO No reference. It always was completely spurious. This ship does not have one, and never has; the number quoted is not even a valid IMO number(read how they are constructed). Shipspotting.com doesn't meet WP:RS (it's a member edited enthusiasts site) - members there wrongly used an ID number from the Miramar database [3]. It's inclusion here led to WP being cited by media and the Ghana Government to demonstrate that the Libertad was not a naval vessel entitled under international law to immunity from interference, but merely a civilian vessel within the IMO's ambit. The lawyers' bills we be on the way!Davidships (talk) 22:53, 15 December 2012 (UTC)