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The Abbey Theatre is the Irish National Theatre in Dublin. It was founded by William Butler Yeats and Lady Gregory in 1899 under the name of Irish Literary Theater, which was renamed in 1902 to Irish National Theatre Society. In 1904, theatre director Annie Elizabeth Fredericka Horniman helped finance the now-called Abbey Theatre.

The Abbey was the first state-subsidised theatre in the English-speaking world; from 1925 it received an annual subsidy from the Irish Free State.

The theatre showed plays from John Millington Synge, George William Russell, Padraic Colum, and Sean O'Casey. In 1951, the theatre burned to the ground, and was rebuilt in 1966, with room for an audience of 628.

Filiocht 11:54, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Disambiguation requirement?[edit]

Since the Abbey Theatre is the name given to the theatre section of the Amey Hall (which is now the Arts Centre) at Abingdon School, Abingdon, Oxfordshire, UK, is a disambiguation necessary?

I think that for most readers, this is the Abbey, an article on the theatre space mentioned above seems unlikely, but it would need a title that specified it, I think. In short, no. Filiocht 08:36, Dec 14, 2004 (UTC)
In the case you provide, it seems unlikely that a disambiguation link at the top of the page, let alone any other disambiguation, would be needed. Can you offer a link to the article about the theatre you are describing? zoney talk 10:22, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'd tend to agree with that. 69.143.236.33 05:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Excellent copyediting, details?[edit]

There has been some great work on editing the article to support a positive FAR, and even some old typos I had in mind fixing are gone. But in one or two cases, I wonder if a little too much detail has been removed (specific examples - around the commissioning of writers in recent times and Annie Horniman's departure), as well as removing retrieval dates for some online references. SeoR (talk) 11:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Noted reversal of spacing on dashes. Always a stylistic thing, I was taught, and prefer, spacing - I feel unspaced dashes lead to crowded writing. And WP allows this, per "Spaced en dashes – such as here – can be used instead of em dashes in all of the ways discussed above. Spaced en dashes are used by several major publishers, to the complete exclusion of em dashes; style manuals more often prefer unspaced em dashes. One style should be used consistently in an article." But in the interest of consistency in the article, will not space further. 195.96.72.22 (talk) 15:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyeditor's questions[edit]

I left a note on the talk page of Ceoil earlier today but will repeat the gist of it here. I see two problems I don't know how to fix. (1) Note 33 seems incomplete. Is it missing a web URL? (2) The text and the sources differ about the spelling of Mac Conghail. Some of the sources have it as MacConghail with no space separating the parts. I left it as Mac Conghail with a no-break code to prevent line-wrap from splitting the name, but I don't know which version is correct. A third thing I noticed on my last read-through was that the story about The Old Lady Says, 'No' does not clearly illustrate that the Abbey was enduring an artistic decline, especially since the story's veracity is in question. Was the play inferior? Is the story true? Perhaps clarification could be added to this paragraph. Finetooth (talk) 04:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The actual doubt about The Old Lady Says No! concerns the origin of the title. It is not in doubt that the Abbey rejected the play, but not necessarily because it was inferior. The opening of the play is a parody of the kind of high-minded historical drama that Yeats and Gregory wanted the Abbey to produce (and to a certain extent, wrote themselves). The rest of the play is a fairly scathing (and quite funny) satire on post-independence Ireland, and not at all the kind of play that Yeats and Gregory wanted. Gregory herself is said (somewhere, I'll look it up) to have complained that she didn't know why the whole play wasn't like the first ten minutes. Johnston may well have concocted the story about the phrase "The old lady says no!" being written on the front cover because it made for a good story, but he did indeed change the title after the Abbey's rejection. The Gate Theatre ended up making it their debut play and scored a huge success with it. It's somewhat dated now but still fun to read. I saw a production of it a few years ago. Lexo (talk) 12:10, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Quick note on spelling of Mac Conghail, as I just created the article. The Senate record uses Mac Conghail and he uses it himself (per Twitter), so I think it's safe to just plump for that version. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 14:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Playwright de Valera?[edit]

In the "After Yeats" section there is the line: "During the 1940s and 1950s, the staple fare at the Abbey was comic farce set in the idealised peasant world of playwright Éamon de Valera." But this link goes to the article on the politician. Can there really also have been a playwright of the same name? Looking at earlier versions of the article I see the line originally read "...set in the idealised peasant world of Éamon de Valera" - alluding, I imagine, to the line taken by the politician. Can someone who knows the subject confirm, and redraft as necessary? - Tim riley (talk) 07:41, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Unbelievable that this question has remained unanswered for so long on a 'featured article'. The immediate error has now been corrected. A reference should certainly be provided for this section - smacks of original research as is. RashersTierney (talk) 22:49, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Remove 2nd paragraph[edit]

The second para in the lede should be moved elsewhere (or deleted altogether) - doesn't belong there. Hohenloh + 02:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Agree. It's a verbatim rehash of material at Mechanics' Theatre. Certainly doesn't belong at the lead. A single sentence with a link to that article somewhere in the text body would more than suffice. RashersTierney (talk) 10:52, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
Done, along with some other edits, for example, there was no mention of the original actors. The whole article still needs a thorough copy-edit though. Hohenloh + 13:59, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Featured article standard?[edit]

This was a featured article early in Wikipedia's history, and I don't think it meets the modern criteria for FAC. Most importantly, it lacks citations at very many points throughout the text. (Less conspicuously, the lead section is short; the spelling veers between British and American; and there is a lot of WP:OVERLINK.) I have earlier attempted a few improvements, but I don't know enough about the subject to do much more. Would an editor who knows his or her facts like to undertake the thorough overhaul that the article needs? – Tim riley (talk) 13:27, 11 June 2013 (UTC)