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Semi-protected edit request on 19 April 2014[edit]

TO Admin, Please change the title of this page It's is NOT ADAM'S BRIDGE... It's "RAM SETU

103.255.180.214 (talk) 12:58, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This has been discussed before, in fact there have been a couple of formal WP:Requested moves discussion, now found in the talk page archives. They have failed because the common name in English-language sources still appears to be Adam's Bridge. Favonian (talk) 13:03, 19 April 2014 (UTC)


CHANGE THE TITLE TO RAM SETU OR WIKIPEDIA WILL NOT GET MY DONATION NEXT YEAR !? I WILL MAKE SURE NONE OF MY FRIENDS DONATE EITHER. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tophrsj (talkcontribs) 18:13, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

We aren't going to change our policy on article because you are trying to use blackmail. Article titles reflect the most common name used in English language reliable sources. That's Adam's Bridge. Dougweller (talk) 21:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Favonian/Dougweller, Wikipedia articles are global, So they should compliance with "Interests of people" rather than "English language sources". And more over "Rama Setu"/"Adams's Bridge as called up Britishers" is name and a noun, it got nothing to do with English. And also i don't understand why you are defying to change, where tons of sources are available on internet as references. Even goverment of india terms it as "Rama Setu" [1]. In interest of majority of people i request you to change the page name to "Rama Setu", If not can you explain why you prefer "Adam's bridge" over "Rama Setu". Shivaji Varma (talk) 12:07, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

This is the English language Wikipeda, I'm not sure what you mean by global. Of course it can be accessed most places, but different languages have their own Wikipedias. See WP:COMMONNAME. The Indian government is now saying that students should use textbooks claiming airplanes, cars, TVs etc were invented thousands of years ago in India, so this isn't surprising. Dougweller (talk) 13:45, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Maybe we should seriously consider an FAQ on this page... Paris1127 (talk) 14:23, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Adam has absolutely no connection to this bridge so why name it inaccurate[edit]

Adam has absolutely no connection to this place and we are not short of Indian names that we need to name it in 'English'. Naming this as Adam's bridge and referring to it that way is not only historically inaccurate but, also idiotic at best. Because, if some one named it as "Adam's Bridge" and we just follow it for without questioning... (Even if many say we discussed it analyzed it and accepted it the net result is the same) It is just too pacifist. It does not matter whether it is a common name or English name... The name "Rama's Bridge" or "Setu's Bridge" should be the common name and correct name both historically and factually relevant to this place consistent with History. The hard decision of changing it to "Ram's Setu" has to be made and a categorically conveyed that this will be the going forward name no matter what. In a section, it should be mentioned it is also referred as "Adam's bridge" incorrectly which would put the correct context to this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.247.113.130 (talk) 04:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Besides the fact that we have Indian sources using the name, we go by WP:Commonname which says " Wikipedia prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will be the most recognizable and the most natural." Dougweller (talk) 05:52, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
The current governing party of India (http://www.diy.com/nav/rooms/bathrooms/showers/electric_showers/T80-Easy-Fit-8-5kw-Electric-Shower-13008634?skuId=13519340) refers to it as "Ram Setu" in their English-language, 2014 Manifesto. [1] (Go to page 41.) Considering the landslide victory of this party, I'd say there's a bit of a "mandate" for this now, regardless of what the Christian Supremacists have been trying to promote with this Eurocentric "Adam's Bridge" nonsense. --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 12:41, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Of course they do. I expect them to continue to push their Hinduvata agenda into archaeological fields as well. This is like being told that because the government of Odisha claims someone was born there we have to take that as our official stand, which has also be tried. And this is nothing to do with Christianity so far as I'm concerned. It's to do with being the English Wikipedia and we are English language-centric. Dougweller (talk) 13:12, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2014[edit]

Rama Sethu is not Adam's Bridge. Its built by Lord Rama and his army. I don't understand why Wikipedia is communal in its view and misleading people. SHINOY KALADHARAN (talk) 04:22, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See above. Wikipedia is not misleading people, as the first sentence of the article has the alternate names for the bridge. Adam's Bridge is the accepted name in English, in scholarly sources from India and elsewhere. Paris1127 (talk) 06:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Adam's Bridge in Islam - new section needed[edit]

It isn't just Christians who have called this Adam's Bridge. Take a look at [2]:"occurs in early Arabic sources. The traveler on a pilgrimage to the sacred mountain, Adams Peak, can there behold Adams footprint in the rock where he first fell, as Ibn Battuta did in the fourteenth century. Adams Bridge is, for Muslims, the name of the string of small islands between Sri Lanka and southeastern Tamil Nadu where Adam is supposed to have crossed to India, or Keling (that same “bridge”is considered by Hindus as the site where Rama crossed with his monkey army to Lanka in his attack on the demons’kingdom, as depicted in a central episode of the Ramayana)."

And [3] "Adam's Bridge The name of a line of rocks and islets, with a length of about 30 km, connecting the southern tip of India with Sri Lanka. According to legend, first narrated in Gnostic sources (see GNOSTICISM) and later given in Islamic texts, when Adam was expelled front paradise, he crossed this bridge, and then stood in penance on one foot on a mountain further south in Sri Lanka. After one thousand years of standing on Adam's Peak (also known by different names and sacred to Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims and Christians), he was reunited with Eve."

[4] "Many Tamils maintain that the Biblical Adam fell to earth somewhere in Ceylon (Sarandib) after being cast out of Paradise: the path he later took from Ceylon to India is said to be marked by the chain of islands off the Tamil coast which is known as Adam’s Bridge. The Sri I^nkan mountain called Adam’s Peak has similar sacred associations for south Asian Muslims. Pilgrims revere a hollowcd-out rock which is hailed as the nabi’s footprint; to other devotees it is the footprint of the Buddha or the divine Rama." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dougweller (talkcontribs) 13:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I can't look at the first reference you cited (I get an error message), but here are some points about the other 2:
Reference #2 ("The Religions of India: A Concise Guide to Nine Major Faiths") ALSO has a separate listing for "Ram Setu" on page 302. So if anything, it proves nothing but that BOTH names are applicable.
Reference #3 ("Islam Translated") specifically states that the name is "for Muslims". ("Adam's Bridge is, for Muslims, the name of a string of..." (p. 136)) Muslims, like Christians, are a minority in India, and do not get to dictate the geographical names of features. The Muslims and Christians are relying upon the same mythology for their attempts at cultural appropriation of Ram Setu, and should be viewed under that lens.
-- Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 14:21, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I would agree that content re: the Islamic view/mythology should be added. And it doesn't matter who is or is not a minority in India - the article name is based on usage in the English language. The suggestion was for a new section and not about the name of the article. Vsmith (talk) 14:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
I say this is a very good find and merits, at least, a section on the page. Paris1127 (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
By the way, are you arguing that the Islamic use is the English phrase "Adam's Bridge"? That seems a little bit of a stretch... --Bryon Morrigan -- Talk 20:09, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Arabic Wikipedia has it as Adam Bridge (at least according to Google; I verified it by going to the Arabic page for Adam, which is آدم, while the page in question is جسر آدم). Paris1127 (talk) 20:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2014[edit]

Why is the name ADAM'S BRIDGE GIVEN TO THIS PAGE? IT is RAMA SETU and no ADAM built it. And it is very clear from history with evidence. I want to know the reason for this.

121.99.142.130 (talk) 03:59, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This has been discussed before, see the talk page archives to see the WP:Requested moves discussions.
As repeatedly stated above the common name in English-language sources is Adam's Bridge. - Arjayay (talk) 08:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Sethubandha?[edit]

The article contains the sentence, "Many other maps in Schwartzberg's historical atlas[12][13] and other sources such as travel texts by Marco Polo call this area by various names such as Sethubandha and Sethubandha Rameswaram.[14][15][16][17]" I can't find the claimed names in any of the sources that are mentioned, and some of them actually seem to be fake? Can somebody double check and delete this sentence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reddyuday (talkcontribs) 12:13, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

  1. ^ http://zeenews.india.com/news/nation/there-are-four-alternatives-on-ram-setu-nitin-gadkari_954513.html