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Adobe[edit]

I am perhaps being pedantic, but although Adobe bought over Macromedia, all programs which were originally developed by Macromedia retained the name "Macromedia ..." - to change this article's page to Adobe Dreamweaver is incorrect. I suggest a revert back. Dannerz

I agree. The current version (8) is still called 'Macromedia Dreamweaver'. If you go out and purchase a copy of it, it still says "Macromedia Dreamweaver", not "Adobe Dreamweaver". In the Adobe Store it is also still called "Macromedia Dreamweaver" When the next version is released, if it is called "Adobe Dreamweaver", then the title of the article can be changed. 131.230.72.101 16:02, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
It looks like Adobe is renaming thier products starting with Adobe Creative Suite 3. The some of the old Macromedia products that are being kept, including Dreamweaver, will carry the Adobe name starting with the CS3 version. After the new products are officially released, we should look in to changing this an other Adobe product pages to match the new naming scheme.--Janus657 18:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Copying[edit]

I have no idea if copying is allowed, but just in case it is not somebody should veiw this website: OldVersion.com Dreamweaver and compare it to this article --DotDarkCloud 03:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

It all depends on which direction things are copied. Can you take text that's under copyright and add it to Wikipedia? No. Can others take text from Wikipedia and put it on their sites? Sure -- WP has lots of mirrors all over the place, and that's allowed by the license. In this particular case, it looks as those those folks took the description of all or most of their apps from WP and then put they own copyright on it. That's not a good idea, but I doubt that anyone from here is going to go chasing them down unless they try enforcing their non-existent copyright.
It's kind of interesting; by looking at their site you can just about figure out when they grabbed each app's description. Their Firefox page [1], for example, is based on the WP Firefox entry towards the end of June 2006. Dori 05:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation[edit]

I think we should put a disambiguation page for "Dreamweaver", or at least but a notice at the top. There's a "Dream Weaver (song)" and and article about "Dream Weavers", a band. 24.42.21.58 18:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Go for it. ¦ Reisio 20:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I've long suspected the program was named after the song - can anyone confirm or deny? Lee M 03:59, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

HTML editor?[edit]

Dreamweaver is not just a HTML editor. It supports PHP, asp, CSS. Maybe a "web development" tool is a better word for it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ghezus (talkcontribs) 20:37, January 12, 2006

Go for it. ¦ Reisio 02:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
If I may throw in my $0.02 -- DW started out as an HTML editor and is still primarily associated with that market. Also, look up HTML editor to see that they have broadened its definition. If you feel that this change is really needed, I'd suggest that we don't remove the term "HTML editor" althogether.
Oh, I just realized that "web editor" might be a good alternative, it already redirects to HTML editor. Jbetak 02:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I have several objections to the change. "Web editor" is a horrible term as it is so ridiculously ambiguous. Additionally, linking to web editor would be an ambiguous link (link to a redirect). At the least, the phrase should remain "HTML editor". However, I agree that recent versions of Dreamweaver have steered the application away from being just an HTML editor and with the addition of support for several sever-side technologies as well as its CSS and Javascript support, it has, in fact, become a "web development" tool. I'll rephrase the opening paragraph to emphasize this. BurntSky 06:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

"Click to activate and use this control" Issue[edit]

i feel that the fact that dw has addressed this issue is worth mentioning. this needs to be here or in the comparison chart of all web/html editors. its an important feature that dreamweaver has been the first to include(?). the feature is a big help to non coders who need to add multymedia to their page, and don't know how to use the javascript workaround.:: chaitanyak 05:41, 06 september 2006 (UTC)


I personally don't see what this has to do with Dreamweaver at all and not instead internet explorer. it doesn't belong on the page as it has nothing to do with dreamweaver. Donatj 04:03, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I also fail to see the connection between DW and this section. I think it should be moved, but I don't know enough about the issue to say where it should go.

I agree. This section should be moved elsewhere or removed completely. This would be more appropriate in the Internet Explorer article, not the Dreamweaver one. 131.230.53.142 23:11, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

This issue is already mentioned in the Object Linking and Embedding article, therefore I recommend that it be removed from this article. 131.230.53.142 06:21, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Market share[edit]

"Dreamweaver (...) currently holds approximately 80% of the HTML editor market."

I highly doubt that. Where are your sources? --Peter Eisenburger 18:14, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

This might be true if you only count the editors that people actually pay for. Most people use free editors this is one of the few people are willing to pay money for. So it might hold *0% of the market but that doesn't mean 80% designers are using it. Still needs a source. 131.91.92.184 (talk) 14:47, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Wine and Unix mention?[edit]

Is the Wine mention really necessary? I use Wine to run Adobe products, but the point is that Wine is developed to run Windows programs non-native to *nix on *nix. Mentioning on every single page about a software product, excepting those that run on *nix, that it can be emulated, is unnecessary. Dylan 02:58, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

AOL, that's redundant. There's plenty of virutalisation techniques and emulation software that can run it on platforms other than it was intended for. Jerazol 05:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


Fair use rationale for Image:Dreamweaver cs3.png[edit]

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Manual Code Preservation[edit]

I remember the most publicized feature of the original Dreamweaver was its ability to preserve manual html (it didn't change any part of the html unless you specifically edited it). It was called "round-trip" editing or something like that, and it was the first one to use it (GoLive copied it afterwards, I think), shouldn't that be mentioned somewhere in the article? IMO it's what's missing in a lot of the open-source alternatives. 200.106.69.146 06:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

WinSoft[edit]

The page mentions that the middle eastern versions are available from WinSoft; while this may be true, is it relevant at all? Ms331 (talk) 11:12, 13 March 2008 (UTC)


I agree, I fail to see the relevance either. Evening Scribe (talk) 01:05, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

This article is completely unsourced with the exception of a reference for the statement that Middle Eastern language versions are available from WinSoft.

Come on. There are so many factual statements in this article without a shred of sourcing or references to check the facts that adding {{fact|date=March 2008}} tags to every one would make the article unreadable.

For example, here are some of the unsourced facts, not by any means a complete list:

  • Dreamweaver was originally created by Macromedia
  • Dreamweaver is now owned by Adobe Systems
  • Adobe Systems acquired Macromedia in 2005
  • Recent versions have incorporated support for web technologies ...
  • CSS
  • JavaScript
  • ASP.NET
  • ColdFusion
  • JavaServer Pages
  • PHP
  • Dreamweaver can hide the details of pages' HTML code from the user, making it possible for non-coders to create web pages and sites
  • A professional criticism of this approach is that it produces HTML pages whose file size and amount of HTML code is much larger than they should be
  • The application makes it very easy to create table-based layouts
  • some web site developers have criticized Dreamweaver in the past for producing code that often does not comply with W3C standards
  • ... though this has improved considerably in recent versions
  • Dreamweaver 8.0 ... performed poorly on the Acid2 Test, developed by the Web Standards Project
  • Macromedia has increased the support for CSS and other ways to lay out a page without tables in later versions of the application, with the ability to convert tables to layers and vice versa
  • Dreamweaver allows users to preview websites in many browsers, provided that they are installed on their computer
  • It also has some site management tools, such as the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by whatever parameters specified across the entire site, and a templatization feature for creating multiple pages with similar structures
  • The behaviors panel also enables use of basic JavaScript without any coding knowledge
  • As of version 6, Dreamweaver supports syntax highlighting for the following languages out of the box
  • The easiest way to build a professional website using Dreamweaver software is by using the Layout functions, it is very easy to organize the web page just using the Layout option provided by Dreamweaver

And on and on and on. Sources are needed that list the features available in Dreamweaver. I could easily add a sentence saying it is backwards-compatible with Aldus PageMaker and there would be no way to confirm or deny the statement. (Yes, I know they're not similar products and would never have been compatible, would everyone reading this article know that? Presumably not, as they're consulting an encyclopedia to gain information about the software.)

Likewise, sources for the praise and criticism of the software are critical to the verifiability of the article.

I just came looking for info about the software and didn't find the information I wanted. I'm not staying to find the missing sources, so don't respond with "go ahead", "have at it", or other such platitudes. If you want the article to be included in Wikipedia, it has to be sourced. Unsourced material may be removed; it's the obligation of the author to source it, not the reader.75.58.86.160 (talk) 08:35, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Article is not very useful[edit]

For an article on such a mainstream piece of software, it is pretty useless. There's no info whatsoever on its features. I don't think readers come here to read on the program's history. --Nathanael Bar-Aur L. (talk) 21:30, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Quoted below is a "Features" Section from an earlier version of the Article. I wonder why it was deleted before, but perhaps we should put this back for starters.
Features
Adobe Dreamweaver is a proprietary web authoring application that allows users to preview websites natively in a preview pane or in locally installed web browsers. It provides transfer and synchronization features, the ability to find and replace lines of text or code by search terms and regular expressions across the entire site, and a templating feature that allows single-source update of shared code and layout across entire sites without server-side includes or scripting. The behaviours panel also enables use of basic JavaScript without any coding knowledge, and integration with Adobe's Spry Ajax framework offers easy access to dynamically-generated content and interfaces.
Dreamweaver can use third-party "Extensions" to extend core functionality of the application, which any web developer can write (largely in HTML and JavaScript). Dreamweaver is supported by a large community of extension developers who make extensions available (both commercial and free) for most web development tasks from simple rollover effects to full-featured shopping carts.
Dreamweaver, like other HTML editors, edits files locally then uploads them to the remote web server using FTP, SFTP, or WebDAV. Dreamweaver CS4 now supports the Subversion (SVN) version control system.
Syntax highlighting
As of version 5, Dreamweaver supports syntax highlighting for the following languages out of the box:
  • ActionScript
  • Active Server Pages (ASP).
  • ASP.NET (no longer supported as of version CS4 - http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402489.html)
  • C#
  • Cascading Style Sheets (CSS)
  • ColdFusion
  • EDML
  • Extensible HyperText Markup Language (XHTML)
  • Extensible Markup Language (XML)
  • Extensible Stylesheet Language Transformations (XSLT)
  • HyperText Markup Language (HTML)
  • Java
  • JavaScript
  • JavaServer Pages (JSP) (no longer supported as of version CS4 - http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/402/kb402489.html)
  • PHP: Hypertext Preprocessor (PHP)
  • Visual Basic (VB)
  • Visual Basic Script Edition (VBScript)
  • Wireless Markup Language (WML)
It is also possible for users to add their own language syntax highlighting. In addition, code completion is available for many of these languages.

Not "supported"?[edit]

What does it mean to say it's no longer supported. I have the MX 2004 version and it still works just fine. M. Frederick (talk) 19:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

It does not mean that you can no longer use the products or that it won't work. It means that the company will no longer provide updates or technical support for that version. Benjam47 (talk) 02:06, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Criticisms in Features section[edit]

Does anyone feel that the criticisms of DW's HTML-hiding are out of place in the features section? Many other software and technology entries have a separate "Criticisms" section near the bottom of the page, and perhaps this entry could benefit from that as well. Also, most criticism sections are generally well cited, to prevent the editor from appearing to be ranting about the technology.

I am mostly a reader of Wikipedia, and not much of an editor (I don't even have an account, as you can see) but this just seemed off compared to most other similar entries. 99.28.108.83 (talk) 08:12, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

PRON?[edit]

the application makes it very easy to create PRON table-based layouts. I'm confident PRON doesn't mean here what it usually means, but what does it mean? Probably not Jaruzelski's fan club either.--87.162.3.103 (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Dreamweaver and disambiguation[edit]

Hi!

There's a discussion regarding disambiguation at Talk:Dreamweaver#Dreamweaver and disambiguation which may be of interest.

Cheers, TFOWRpropaganda 18:06, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

Needs a Criticism Section[edit]

This article really needs a criticism section. Dreamweaver is an extremely rigid, complicated and painful application to learn. It is really the Windows of the design world, everyone is stuck with it due to lack of a major competitor. Given that this is Wikipedia and not a PR page for Dreamweaver, there really should be a criticism section to tell the whole story about Dreamweaver.

98.245.170.157 (talk) 00:54, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I have a good citation source. PC Magazine has a review (article) of Dreamweaver CS5 that calls it "Overwhelming" and suggests that any beginner to web design would likely be unable to learn how to use it.

I have HTML background and years of web design experience and I find Dreamweaver CS5 to be a true nightmare. I am taking a design class (to learn Dreamweaver, as mentioned I already know HTML) and my instructor struggles with Dreamweaver and he has an impressive web design resume. I have a friend who is taking a different design class and her instructor hates it.

98.245.150.162 (talk) 23:28, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


There are professional product review articles about Dreamweaver that say similar things. It gets bad reviews especially for its accessibility to those learning how to use it.

Many use it as a coding editor and ignore the regular features which are very difficult to use / quite buggy.

24.8.177.59 (talk) 02:20, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Could you guys please clarify what you meant by "rigid"? I learned on DreamWeaver when I took Web Design in 10th Grade (the current version at the time was DreamWeaver 8), and I must say that I was very rarely frustrated by it. It's not like FrontPage (now discontinued), which had no Graphic Interface View and forced you to design a site exclusively by working directly in the HTML source code. Like most HTML editor applications currently developed and sold, DreamWeaver does have a Graphic Interface View for those of us not comfortable working in the actual source code. So, what does "rigid" mean in this context? Any criticism in the Article should be very clear. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 02:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

It is great to know that I am not alone in finding Dreamweaver a nightmare. I have been learning how to use Dreamweaver as part of a Web Design course and came on to the article hoping to find an overview of its features, to help me find my way through the maze. Instead I find an article that might as well be rated as a 'stub'. Why are there no sections on its features? Templates, Library items, Snippets, Assets, Label making etc. ixo (talk) 08:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Someone took care of this. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:48, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How do we fix the version history table from here?[edit]

Provider Major version Minor update/alternative name Release date Notes
Macromedia 1.0 1.0 December 1997 First version. Mac OS only.
1.2 March 1998 First Windows version.
2.0 2.0 December 1998
3.0 3.0 December 1999
UltraDev 1.0 June 1999
4.0 4.0 December 2000
UltraDev 4.0 December 2000
6.0 MX 29 May 2002
7.0 MX 2004 10 September 2003
8.0 8.0 13 September 2005 Last Macromedia version.
Adobe 9.0 CS3 16 April 2007 Replaces Adobe GoLive in Creative Suite.
10.0 CS4 23 September 2008
11.0 CS5 12 April 2010
11.5 CS5.5 12 April 2011 Supports HTML5.
12.0 CS6 21 April 2012

Do you see that extra cell in the lower left that needs to be merged with the cell that says Adobe? How do we make that happen? The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 11:51, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Can we please bring back the old color code in Version History, the one the Firefox Article's table is modeled after still?[edit]

Let's face it. The Green and Yellow for current and supported versions, respectively, are much more distinct colors than the 2 shades of green that this Article uses now. I can still see the difference quite well, but not everyone has my color vision (I'm one of the few males who can pass the Fruit Basket Test), and in a color code with relatively few values it's just better aesthetically to make the colors we choose as distinct as possible. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 01:54, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Again with issues in Version History Table[edit]

Provider Major version Minor update/alternative name Release date Notes
Macromedia Old version, no longer supported: 1.0 1.0 December 1997 First version. Mac OS only.
1.2 March 1998 First Windows version
Old version, no longer supported: 2.0 2.0 December 1998
Old version, no longer supported: 3.0 3.0 December 1999
UltraDev 1.0 June 1999
Old version, no longer supported: 4.0 4.0 December 2000
UltraDev 4.0 December 2000
Old version, no longer supported: 6.0 MX 29 May 2002
Old version, no longer supported: 7.0 MX 2004 10 September 2003
Old version, no longer supported: 8.0 8.0 13 September 2005 Last Macromedia version.
Adobe Systems Old version, no longer supported: 9.0 CS3 16 April 2007 Replaces Adobe GoLive in Creative Suite.
Old version, no longer supported: 10.0 CS4 23 September 2008
Older version, yet still supported: 11.0 CS5 12 April 2010
Older version, yet still supported: 11.5 CS5.5 12 April 2011 Supports HTML5.
Current stable version: 12.0 CS6 21 April 2012
Legend: Old version Older version, still supported Current version Latest preview version Future release
A. How do we get rid of the empty pseudo-column on the extreme right?
B. How do we change the Green in the color code to a more vivid shade of Green?
I would appreciate any and all help with this. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 23:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.