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Check out the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 video. Adriana is interviewed, states her heritage, and I am certain that she includes Japanese! I'm completely serious! I have it on VHS but I have been unable to locate a copy online. If anybody can find a copy of this online, please feel free to double check me on this but I am 100% certain that Adriana claimed to have Japanese ancestry! Thanks! --user:MorbidAnatomy (not logged in due to technical difficulties). —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:20, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Confirmed! I just watched the video and Adriana says, "my family is all mixed with Japanese, black, and West Indian." Again, it's on the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 video. Thanks. --MorbidAnatomy (talk) 04:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

I added Japanese and West Indian to the article per this interview. Do with it what you will, I was just happy to confirm that she really did say that she has Japanese in her family mix (She may be mistaken/misremembering but I was certain that she said it herself--but a number of people on this talk page denied outright that she ever even said it). —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidAnatomy (talkcontribs) 17:09, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

That special has never been seen is they're anyway you can post it for all of us to see the correct info (as well as see the video) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 22:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

When the video is found for us all to verify, feel free to re-add these additional claims to her heritage. Mbinebri (talk) 02:19, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

"That special has never been seen" "When the video is found for us all to verify, feel free to re-add these additional claims to her heritage" It has been seen. I taped it when it aired on television. Just because you couldn't find it online doesn't mean that it is not available for viewing--look further than the internet! Wikipedia is all about verifiability--not YOU verifying things. Removing the edits just because you haven't seen the video personally is like removing edits from a literary article just because you don't own a particular book that was cited. I will re-add them now because I verified them and provided the source. If you find another source that refutes this, then that is the appropriate time for you to remove the information. As I said before, I only have it on VHS. I am not technology literate enough to know how to convert it to a digital medium for your viewing pleasure though. Short clips of this film can be found on youtube but the film is organized into sections by model. Obviously you need to find a copy of the segment on Adriana Lima.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 05:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I tell you what. I can improvise! I will use my digital camera to film my television as the interview plays, upload the digital footage from my camera to my computer, and then I will happily email it to anybody who wants it! Just type your email on my talk page and I will send you a copy! —Preceding unsigned comment added by MorbidAnatomy (talkcontribs) 05:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

OK, forget the email idea...I did better. I gave myself a crash course in youtube and I posted the video on youtube for all the world to see (because apparently there is no world outside of the internet anymore). It is low resolution--I literally filmed my television as the video played. It takes several seconds for the audio to come in but you will see and hear exactly what I told you--Adriana Lima includes Japanese in her heritage. See it at: Enjoy.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 06:18, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Please don't take what I said wrong. I didn't mean never been seen as in never aired. I know E! used to do swimsuit specials, in fact the 2003 show is VERY rare, every fan of every angel wants to see it. That's why I said it's never been seen. I did believe you before the video about her having Jap, Afro in her, because she's mentioned it before. She's mentioned other things as well that's not been allowed on this page. She's a HUGE mixture of things. I actually emailed you on youtube, to see if I could help you out on getting this special :) I've been a fan for almost 7 years and I have over 250 videos of Adriana, so I know the special is not available online, unfortunately, so I'd love to help or do something for Adriana fans and pother angel fans to see this footage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 08:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think Adriana Lima is a big liar. She reports different ancestries is every single interview. One time is "Swiss, African and Indian", another time is "Japanese, black and West Indian".

In my opinion, she only wants to sell herself as an "exotic person", because this is good in fashion world. I think we should remove the references about her ancestry in this article, because not even Adriana Lima herself knows it. Many Brazilians have no idea where his/her ancestors came from, specially people from the Northeast, such as Adriana Lima, who are a huge mix of races and whose families are in Brazil for many, many generations. This is obviously the case of Adriana. She's just trying to be "exotic". We should remove all the cites about her ancestry, and leave her only as "Brazilian", which is what we certainly know she is.

I'm pretty sure she is 0% Japanese. Japanese immigration to Brazil is a very recent phenomenon. Most Japanese-Brazilians have recent Japanese ancestors (parents, grandparents). And most of the early generation did not mix with other ethnic groups, so most Japanese Brazilians look Japanese and have Japanese surnames, which is not her case. Moreover, she is from Bahia, very few Japanese settled there.

Adriana...say the truth, please! lol Opinoso (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I don't know that she is lying...I think people are incorrectly interpreting her statement. She says, "MY FAMILY is all a mix of...." That could simply mean that she has a distant relative somewhere who married a Japanese person, or something obscure like that. She does not say that she has any Japanese in her personal genetic make up--only that there is Japanese in her family. That is why I phrased my edit in the article the way I did. I was careful not to say that Adriana is part Japanese--only that she stated it is part of her heritage (which could be perfectly true without her actually being part Japanese)! I don't care what Adriana truly is, I only care about the fact that she truly SAID it.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 15:20, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

But, since she has reported different ancestries in different interviews, we should assume she is confused, lying or trying to "pass as exotic". Because a person who claims Japanese ancestry in a certain interview, and in another claims something else, we cannot take it seriously. If in a next interview she claims to be part Bhutanese and in another she is Sri Lankan, we will stay here forever discussing this.

So I suggest to remove all the heritages, and let's treat her as a Brazilian with unknown ancestry. Opinoso (talk) 16:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Adriana is not a liar, she's several ethnicities , some include French, carriebean, African, Japanese, and several others. Her grandmother is Japanese, and her grandfather is African (this was in a printed version of a Zeki triko interview) I think removing them all together is going to lead this article to be totally un reliable, it's gets to be more that way every time I return to it. It's going to lead people to not know anything about this woman. They're are early images of her, where you can clearly see the Jap, and African in her CLEARLY, and she's got a lot of different backgrounds in her, her grandparents on her mother's side are what i listed above and I'm guessing whatever she gets from her fathers side for the longest time I'm guessing she took that info from what her mother told her (up until a year a go she didn't even know her dad) (I know i do that with mine because like Dri I'm an only child) and so sometimes you get confused, but she has many ethnicites, and they are all over the internet including a list of about 10 that have all been pretty much common knowledge for quite some time. Swiss, African, Japanese, West Indian, Caribbean, French, and a few others I can't think of right now. Just because she thought of 3 in an interview doesn't make her a liar....(I know personally I have about 10 to 15 but I only list about 3 or 4 all the time, and sometimes they change because when someone asks I think off the top of my head what 3 or 4 to name) Like I said if this is removed it's going to make the article more unreliable than it already as As an adriana fan of 7 years and co owner of the biggest Adriana fan site online, I can look back when I first was an Adriana fan and look at this page and realize that there is several bits of info that's missing. Like now we don't have the year she started VS, we don't have all her ethnitcies, and a few other things, anything more is going to make it worse and worse... —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 18:43, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Adriana Lima is Brazilian. That's all. She does not even know where her ancestors came from, as many Brazilians do not know too.

She's from Salvador, Northeastern Brazil. She must be a typical Northeastern Brazilian, which is a mix of Portuguese, Africans and native Indians. Most Northeastern Brazilians are of old ancestry, I mean, their families are in Brazil for many, many generations, like 400 years or even more. Most do not know about their ancestry, because it's already impossible to trace it so far.

Her surname is "Lima", which is Portuguese and it's a very commom surname in Brazil. Lima is not French, not Swiss, not Japanese, not "Western Indian". Her father's surname is "Torres", which is also Portuguese or Spanish.

Adriana Lima looks like an ordinary person from this part of Brazil (despite the blue eyes). She's not exotic in Brazil, but outside of Brazil she might be (and she often used this "exotic" side to promote her career). I'm 100% sure she is nothing Japanese, because she's from Bahia and Japanese immigration to Brazil is a recent phenomenon, and was concentrated to São Paulo and Paraná, and most Japanese Brazilians have recent ancestry (parents, grandparents) and look Japanese, or at least half Japanese, which is not her case at all, because she looks like an "ordinary" Brazilian woman.

We must use reliable sources. If Adriana herself does not know her ancestry, and in each interview she reports a different heritage, she is confused or simply lying. We must assume she is a Brazilian of long generation and does not even know where her grandmother was born.

She is Brazilian and we cannot choose which ancestry we should list here or not, because they're all fake ancestries. Opinoso (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I somewhat agree with Opinoso, although I wouldn't say they're all "fake" ancestries so much as a variety of conflicting claims with the truth of each unknown. All that stuff about her having Caribbean, French, etc. heritage probably was invented by her agency early on to make her look exotic. But claiming Swiss, Native Brazilian, and African? That doesn't sound very exotic so maybe there's more truth there. But with the addition of Japanese and West Indian, things start to get dubious. Lima isn't being consistent, and when claims conflict with one another and none can be lent more credibility than another, it's probably best to remove it altogether so that the article can't be accused of spreading questionable info. Not to mention, whether her heritage is stated or not doesn't impact her notability, nor does it detract from the article by not being there. Mbinebri (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think calling someone a liar is off the deep end, you could simply say she could be mistaken. To call someone a liar based on no facts is going on the deep end. Calling them fake is going off the deep end as well...and if you want to go back to surnames we don't have any idea what her grandmother's maiden name was all we know is she was japanease. Her grandfather is African, you really can't base anyone's surname on anything because they're are many people who's names sound american mother and father and they come from Italian or some other background. I think Adriana's word is pretty good here, it would be the same idea of taking Adriana saying she was 5'7 when she was 15 (which she did) and now she says she's 5'10 well that must mean she's lying....uh no. It means she grew. The first interview she gave that Mbinebri posted was taped in early 2001, and the one that the other guy posted was from 2003, she can't be expected to remember exactly what she said to repeat it. She has alot of backgrounds in her just because she mentions only one difference, doesn't give anyone the right to call her a liar. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 21:40, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

There is another answer. We could summarize the conflict at hand and put that in the article. A statement that reads something like:
"Though of known Brazilian origin, confusion remains regarding her ancestry. Lima has indicated a number of different ethnic heritages in various interviews including, African, Japanese, Native American, and West Indian but none of these have been substantiated."
That way, the information is presented in a cyclopedic fashion plus it remains in the article (because it may be true) yet is presented as clearly questionable (thus the reader knowns not to rely on completely but to do further research if looking for a concrete answer). Thoughts on that? MorbidAnatomy (talk) 21:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I thought of that, too, Morbid, (and the article did at one point say something similar to this) but the problem there is that we would then have to find a reliable source saying there's conflict over Lima's heritage, or else it would be original research. And there really isn't much sense including info that's clearly questionable anyway. Mbinebri (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
I wonder if it is really necessary to cite this. If next month somebody claim she is half Sri Lankan, we will have to include this information there. I'm sure that, in the next 2 years, another 10 ancestries will come out. lol. I agree with Mbinebri: remove it all! Opinoso (talk) 21:56, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, this issue is only causing unnecessary arguments over something that looks unprovable. Mbinebri (talk) 22:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'm convinced. I removed everything about her ancestry and am pasting it here if later retrieval is desired:
"to African, Native Brazilian, and Swiss heritage.[citation needed] During interview she has also included Japanese and West Indian in her heritage.[1]"
Anybody looking for clarification about her heritage can come here, read this thread, and leave just as confused as the rest of us! At least now we have a verified example of her stating Japanese and West Indian in her family in case it is ever proved to be true. By the way, I am working on getting that copy of the Victoria's Secret Swim 2003 special transfered from VHS to a digital medium--just give me some time.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 23:27, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Honestly with the hatred in Opinoso writing, I don't even know why their here, all they do is cut down Adriana, which is not needed. Simple don't like her don't come here. I'll never understand such hatred from people, who feel like it gives them something to call others names...anyway, like I said this article has become full of no information and full misinformation, all I can hope for is fans can find guidance to my fansite, because I'm going to brutally honest this article doesn't include many things at all. By removing things it's being totally uninformative. I think with Adriana stating her own heritage (which gasp can be over 3 things, I personally have about 10 or 11) it's going to confuse many people and have a lot of people adding stuff because people feel it needs to be added...I'm such at some point this article will be Adriana Lima is a this rate. Just keep in mind before you call people liars...which is just so rude it's not even worth discussing, that people usually don't repeat things over and over and over, like Adriana saying if she wasn't a model...she's said she wanted to be a pediatrician, a concert pianist, and a vet. OMG does that make her a liar because she didn't repeat her first answer...I think people need to keep that in mind.—Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 02:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I don't know about all of that, I just know that the information is available through this talk page, and the information seems to qualify as original research (which renders it unusable on wiki in it's present state). Even though I have been a huge fan of Adriana since 1998 when you get right down to it--super models aren't worth dwelling on--none of us will ever be close personal friends of Adriana Lima--we won't invite her over for brunch and discuss the contents of this website with her. I met my goal of providing verification of her statement about Japanese heritage, I put it in the article and defended it until other users made a convincing argument for removing it, so as the legal jargon goes: "stare decisis" and "res judicata." Let's all find a better topic for improving the article now.MorbidAnatomy (talk) 23:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

unfortunately through "Original research" we can't use it, because on my site we do have contact with a few "Special" contacts which could verify anything,(we have pics to prove it) but since they are pretty secretive we TRY and keep it under wraps but it's useful when it comes to matters like this. They can verify anything but that pretty much means nothing on Wikipedia...personally I wish that would be changed...but oh well :) This page IMO has become totally unreliable and a lot of useful info has been taken away, and it has led to a lot of false statements in the article, and a lot of "blanks" like I said it's going to take a fan site for someone to know what they want to know...this page used to be helpful now it's just full of incomplete information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 05:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

You're clearly going overboard here, Bahian. Because a few unprovable statements have been removed, the entire article is now unreliable and has led to false statements? That's ridiculous. Both removals have been in the interest of maintaining article credibility on non-essential info, and if you can't see that, perhaps you are better off sticking to your fansite, because you've demonstrated a distinct bias and lack of neutrality on numerous occasions and if you disagree with Wiki policies and now deem this article unreliable, it doesn't make much sense to stick around and make things a hassle for other editors when you can just direct your focus elsewhere.
And as Morbid basically said, Lima (or any other model, for that matter) isn't such an important topic that we should lose our heads over it. Mbinebri (talk) 19:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Well considering she's VS's biggest model next to Heidi Klum, senority and popularity and rising fast as becoming the next supermodel it needs to stay correct because her fame is building on a month to month basis. Things at are missing are vital...her year she started with VS, her ethic backgrounds, the fact she was the first model to open and close a segment in the show, and it will only fall from there...but again I guess I shouldn't care...more hits for the website, that she actually knows about...oh well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 21:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Bahianchic: Adriana is Black, Amerindian, Asian, and White. All the so-called 'ethinicities' you listed are Nationalities not race. She's multiracial. Leave it at that. "French, Japanese, Portuguese," etc are not Ethnicities but Nationalities. It's not hard. She's your ordinary multiracial Brazilian. I don't see what the big fuss is. Why is this so hard? -- Preceding comment was anonymous

Not every country is as stupidly obsessed with ancestry as the USA. Is she telling what she believes to be the truth about her family's ancestry. We must assume she is unless we learn definitively otherwise. Should it be mentioned in this article? Personally, I could care less. Unless one of her ancestors is some notable individual, it is irrelevant, just as it is irrelevant to every other Wikipedia article. But Americans are obsessed with this irrelevant trivia, so they want to categorize every person's ancestry rather than judging each individual on their own merits. It's sick and, frankly, anti-American, but so is a lot of what goes on in the USA today. So load it up! List every single country of origin she mentions. They are probably all true, and clearly, that is what the racists in the USA want to know. (talk)

Holy edits batman[edit]

JBSupreme IMO just tore apart this page, so I'm adding some things back that need to be there (again like I said eventually this page will be so unaccurate...trying to save what's left)

-The quote on Adriana's language. Adriana is of course fluent in Portuguese (Considering it's her mother tongue) English (listen to her speak it) there have been various clips in which she's spoken french, and she was an huge star in italy were she spoke Italian in several interviews and even learned it to speak in the aired commercials which you can hear for yourself. There is no reason in my opinion this should have been removed.

-Lima's classical music and etc I added back because everything was cited with a fact that I've looked up and everything looks like it meets the qualifications. I've also cited where she speaks about wanting to be a concert pianist, which would also back up that specific fact.

-Charity...I also added that back you can't take out something that has been listed several places and facts have been added as well, and then leave the article about deal or no deal, and delete the information above. I've included a fact yet again, where she states that she does the removed.

-Adriana not wanting to be a model does need a citation needed, but it does not need to be deleted, Adriana has mentioned it on news station interviews such as myfox LA where she talks about being discovered. I added the link. I assume since it's a news video and it's adriana's word it's pretty accurate.

-there is no need to remove the fantasy bra information, it's everywhere that she wore the fantasy bra and for that to be removed...there is no reason at all. The fact that she renewed her contract was in a video interview (that is no on youtube but there is an original link somewhere) where she explains that she did so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 02:29, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

JBSupreme didn't tear anything apart. Any editor has the right to challenge and remove uncited info, so it was completely within his/her right to remove the info since no one seemed to be looking to source it. And what "needs" to be there is only your opinion, as is the page's supposed inaccuracy. So if you you add info with incorrect citations, don't try to paint another editor in a bad light for removing it. As for some of your other points: the info on Lima's fluency in various languages, it's all original research and therefore has no place in this article; pics aren't reliable sources by Wiki policy, which means the second source on the beauty pageants claim is not technically allowed; the claim that Lima is interested in being a concert pianist can be removed as the citation doesn't directly link to info that backs up the claim; and the interview linked to in reference 38 is dubious enough for removal since it just seems to be a copy-and-paste job by superiorpics from an unknown source. Other of your previous sources are questionable as well, But I'll deal with it later. Mbinebri (talk) 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
This article looks terrible!! Not even her birthday has a source!!! Please, somebody clean it. Opinoso (talk) 23:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Like I said guys...ruin it...your just making wiki a really unreliable source. I'm going to make sure our site and every Adriana fan knows this page is not at all accurate, right or correct, and the people controlling it are not doing it correctly.

Also the picture for her pageants, include the picture and the news article from the Brazilian newspaper...sorry but that's pretty reliable. Also if you remove that she can't speak Portuguese and English it's perfectly laughable. I agree some stuff needs some "Citation needed" but stuff doesn't need to be erased at ALL! heck like Opinoso said you could pretty much remove her birthday.....which I'm sure it will be...which again shows that this page is an absolute disgrace. Adriana doesn't have an official site which makes it near impossible for reliable sources, if we can't include verified images, news video, her word, or anything....heck that interview from Superior pictures is an Interview from tearsheet magazine! Heck I can post the picture of the cover! I can even post the photographers site where it says tearsheet with Adriana that's pretty reliable as well. But again...the page isn't reliable. As for her languages also...look it up it's quite easy to find on all her bios. So...sorry. Again...make it the most unreliable article...

Also the whole fantasy bra thing that was removed...I'm sorry anyway you look at it, that was ridiculous to remove.

Also about the concert pianist....look at Victoria's Secret show and go to Adriana...I'd screencap it but then again pictures aren't allowed huh? This wiki page is honestly getting worse and worse —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 01:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

There are a lot of people who do nothing on Wikipedia but delete relevant, neutral, verified information from articles. It's insane, and it's why I do not bother editing anymore: there is no editorial oversight, and trying to make Wikipedia more factual and informative is an exercise in frustration. (talk) 08:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Change Adriana Lima's photo to a better one for!![edit]

Can we please change Adrianas photo?!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 00:58, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay guys come on her photo doesn't show the supermodel she is. I was thinking maybe putting this photo up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriana Lima Fan (talkcontribs)

By policy and practice here, An image in the infobox of a living person here generally has to be a "free" image, where the copyright owner allows general use anywhere. That excludes most professional or promotional photos, so most images tend to be fan-taken shots at publicity events. Gimmetrow 01:26, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, in the website the owner allows the use of the photos by others. She just asks for people to write where it comes from. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adriana Lima Fan (talkcontribs) AdrianaLimaHolic 01:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You can sign your posts here with ~~~~. Anyway, the site you give has this on its front page: " We take no ownership towards any of the pictures on the site, and they are copyrighted to their respectful owners. " The site can't release pictures it doesn't own. If you want a different picture, I suggest looking through flickr for a better fan-taken shot that is licensed CC-BY or CC-SA or CC-BY-SA. Gimmetrow 01:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Do you like any of these better? Gimmetrow 01:38, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The first one is great. Your really a great help!! AdrianaLimaHolic 01:39, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, though if you mean the picture with three people, it should probably be cropped to just the subject of this article. Gimmetrow 01:43, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Im new to this site so how would i go about cropping the photo and then posting it??AdrianaLimaHolic 01:47, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You would need some photoediting software such as photoshop, and you use Special:Upload or Wikipedia:Upload to upload an image file. It's not exactly an easy process. Is having the image in the article "as is" enough? Do you really need to change the lead image? Gimmetrow 02:02, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Well now that you tell me that it's a complicated process i guess that there shouldn't be a need to change the lead image.--AdrianaLimaHolic 02:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. Cropping is fairly easy, but in this case I think it would result in a rather small image. It's uploading here which isn't exactly easy; it's frequently frustrating for new users to figure out. If you want to add a better image here for a current celebrity, it's often easiest to browse flickr and find a good image that seems likely to have been taken by the flickr user. Then contact that user and ask for the copyright terms to be changed to BY, SA, or BY-SA. (NC "non-commercial" and ND "no derivatives" wouldn't be compatible here.) Some users are willing to do that since their image, and their name, ends up on high-profile Wiki pages. If you find a properly-licences image and post about it here, it's likely someone will volunteer to do the image uploading and any necessary image editing. Gimmetrow 02:15, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Am I the only one who strongly doubts the person on Flickr whose account the added photo was taken from legitimately owns the copyright? It was almost certainly taken from among the dozens of such photos from the event strewn all over the internet, shot by a professional press photographer. Some searching would probably reveal the photo existed online long before the Flickr user uploaded it onto his/her account.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Sources from a fan website[edit]

I think we should start deleting those contents. (Number1spygirl (talk) 11:26, 8 April 2009 (UTC))

I have no issue with the content they source, but yeah, the removal of the links themselves is long overdue, so I did it. Some of the other sources deserve some attention for removal as well - - for either reliability issues or copyvios. It's a little-known Wiki rule that sites that host material in violation of others' copyright aren't allowed as refs or ELs.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:41, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Beauty contract with VS[edit]

Adriana has signed a mutli million dollar deal for exclusive beauty line for VS. Contract details are always secret, so there will never be an official article on it, but it's been discussed about the other models have them. The girls have their Angel contracts and their Beauty contracts.

here is a post from someone who works with Ale's manager, as well as a friend of mine. I think it's safe to say it's obvious.

She was not in the 2006 campaign because she was contracted to maybelline, which is why she wasn't allowed in the commercial. Now with ending her long running maybelline contract, she was offered a better deal with VS beauty. So now that her maybelline contract has ended, she has a new contract which is additional to her Angel contract.

Val has said (this really isn't relevant but to say she obviously has a new better contract) that she will most likely beat Heidi and come in second to Gisele this year money wise on the Forbes list.

It should be ok to be added at this point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 22:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

This all means nothing w/o a source that meets WP:RS. You should know that by now.  Mbinebri  talk ← 03:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Again you break the rules and it's ok, but anyone else it's not...Oi. Anyway I've contacted who's contacted Chris Gay who is going to be emailing me some stuff about the contracts, and I am able to post it then I will ref it and you'll say I can see where your going and you'll let it slide...then it will be ok as long as you break the rules again...I've got a long letter going on you with screencaps of you preaching then breaking your own rules that I will be sending into wiki sometime soon so it doesn't matter to me :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 01:17, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

So you're going to personally track down info and try to use an email as a reference? Have you read WP:RS or WP:OR at all? You should also read Wiki's policy on making threats, as well as (since you've demonstrated time and again that you're more concerned with making Adriana look good than with Wiki rules) the WP:COI policy.  Mbinebri  talk ← 02:00, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not making threats, I'm just telling you I'm going to email them about you preaching rules and then breaking them only when to use them under your benefit. I don't need to make Adriana look good, she does that on her own. A separate beauty contract is beyond obvious in those posts and I've had agents back up the fact. Most of the angels have separate beauty contracts and some do not...most of the tie you don't want anything that may outshine little miss Marisa...believe me Adriana would have to fall quite a ways to be as low as marisa is. Anyway, you decide to read between the lines on anything you want to...but when things are obvious and you don't want to agree with them you dont. Hence why the email is being written. As for the email, I think the email from Adriana's actual Agent says a lot! You aren't going to find personal information about the secret contracts of the girls online...again you won't do it or accept it unless you want too...break the rules break the rules. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BahianChic (talkcontribs) 18:33, 14 April 2009 (UTC)


Concerning her ethnicity, the controversy which has been on-going. According to WP:VERIFY:

The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true

I think Imdb meets the standard of a reliable source. Wapondaponda (talk) 03:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The imdb info in question is from a user-submitted mini bio. That's essentially the same as using a wiki as a source, so no, it's not reliable. Keep in mind that editors here have excluded as sources youtube videos of interviews where the subject herself gives her ethnic heritage. Gimmetrow 03:38, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
The issue is also that several contradictory yet verifiable accounts of her ethnicity exist. Including them all violates WP:SYN and it really isn't up to us as Wiki editors to determine which individual account is most worthy of inclusion. Better to just exclude it, as the third-party resolution suggested.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:45, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Adriana Lima mentions her ethnicity on two occasions in an interveiw on E! and Fashion Tv. Here on the links and talk ← 13:45, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Again, this is the same issue as I stated above. In video one, she says she is Japanese/West Indian/African; in video two, she says she is Swiss/Indian/African. Even if she is all of them and we assume she meant West Indian in video two, WP:SYN does not allow for apparently contradictory sources to be combined, and it's not up to us to say which is more correct.  Mbinebri  talk ← 19:44, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Just for the record . . .[edit]

She was carrying the kid for "nearly three months" according to sources. This started yesterday on March 26. The earliest possible date of conception would have been sometime in the last week of February. She got married on Valentines Day. I just wanted to put this in just for future reference. (talk) 18:14, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Well, turns out the kid was born 8 months after they married, so mid- to late-February sounds about right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:15, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I messed up the links - Sorry - Someone please fix[edit]

I messed up the links - Sorry - Someone please fix.

I am new to this and I thought I was in a test window and I saved a change and all the links disappeared.


Could someone who knows what they are doing revert back to the way it was please?

I tried to do that and couldn't figure it out.

Sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:20, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Just to finish off my edit summary[edit]

As I was saying, putting in the article that Lima was a virgin until 27 is iffy, as the source has no real way of knowing this. It's likely just an assumption based on Lima's GQ virgin claim, which she later said was misinterpreted. Not to mention, Lenny Kravitz (her former boyfriend) disputed the claim. Since all we can do is assume here, and since that's all any source can do, it's probably just better to leave out any specific mention of her losing her virginity and just let the reader make the same assumption the source made by leaving it as bare facts: Lima said she was going to wait until marriage, and she got married at 27. That's all that can be truly proven.  Mbinebri  talk ← 15:07, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Adriana Lima said that she was just friends with Lenny Kravitz. You must be on some sort of gossip work. (talk) 22:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Marriage at the Catholic Church[edit]

Adriana Lima got married at the Catholic Church? If so when did this happened? She is a devout Roman Catholic and find hard to believe that she would consider her civil marriage as the most important. (talk) 19:09, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Relationship with Lenny Kravitz[edit]

This article in portuguese documents well their two years relashionship, who ended up friendly.[1] (talk) 19:23, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Source[edit]

Celeb Net Worth Do other editors feel this is a reliable source for a BLP? --BweeB (talk) 09:48, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

That Wikipedia logo across from "Source" makes me a bit nervous, but outside of that the website doesn't raise any red flags for me, and the numbers are as legit as we can assume any can be if they come from Forbes.  Mbinebri  talk ← 13:06, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

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Early life[edit]

why there is no section that talks about her early life? After reading this page, ok her ethnicity is something that shouldn't be mentioned but what about her parents? That her father left the family when she was six months old or that she actually has two half brothers? VSfan88 (talk) 05:51, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I think there was such a section awhile ago. It probably got deleted due to poor sourcing.  Mbinebri  talk ← 14:29, 13 May 2012 (UTC)
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