Talk:Aer Arann

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Hubs and focus cities[edit]

According to ATI/Innovata (schedule information service), the current Aer Arann schedule includes:

  • DUB: 10 destinations, 131 weekly departures
  • ORK: 10 destinations, 63 weekly departures
  • GWY: 6 destinations, 54 weekly departures

I've therefore changed the hubs/focus cities in the infobox to reflect this (which also matches the existing text). Ecozeppelin 12:50, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Silver Club[edit]

This section is clearly a marketing ploy by Aer Arann and is therefore completely inappropriate for Wikipedia. On that basis I have deleted this section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

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Aer Arann destinations[edit]

I updated the destinations according to the Aer Arrann Website. Hope it wasn't a problem —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Aer Arann Bases[edit]

Waterford Base - 1 aircraft - serves Manchester London Luton, Brimingham & Lorient. Also serves Galway Lorient (on Saturdays}.

Isle of Man Base - 1 aircraft - serves London City.

Cork Airport Base - 0 Aer Arran aircraft but 1 ATR 72 for Aer Lingus Regional.

Dublin Airport Base - aircrafts which stay over in Donegal, Knock and one from 1 aircraft from Galway Base operate routes from Dublin to Sligh, Isle of Man, Cork, Glasgow from Dunegal and Belfast City from Cork. Also serves football flights to Manchester & Newcastle but 3 ATR 72 for Aer Lingus Regional.

Derry Airport Base - 1 aircraft - serves Manchester, Dublin & Edinbourgh.

Galway Airport Base - 3 aircraft - serves Manchester, London Luton, Waterford, Dublin, Edinbourgh & Lorient (on Tuesdays).

Donegal Airport - 1 aircraft stays overnight to operate early morning service to Dublin.

Knock Airport - 1 aircraft stays overnight to operate early morning service to Dublin.

View booking systems for where aircraft stay overnight and times

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie2k9 (talkcontribs) 00:00, 3 March 2010 (UTC) 
Derry is not a base. The Derry routes are operated by Galway aircraft and crew. The crew just overnight in Derry, that doesn't make it a base. Jim236 (talk) 22:51, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Request for timestamping volatile information[edit]

As information about operations is subject to frequent changes, wouldn't it be helpful to add timestamps ((i.e. "as of March 2010")) ? Jan olieslagers (talk) 08:40, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes but would you call Cork a Base when Aer Arran have no aircraft there and their crew are operating for Aer Lingus Regional —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamie2k9 (talkcontribs) 23:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
No idea - I can only suppose it must depend on the definition of a "base"...? Jan olieslagers (talk) 14:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

ATR 72-500[edit]

Did the 4 ATR 72-550 leave and go to the Aer Lingus Regional fleet as of March 29 2010.

When did Aer Arran place an order for 5 more and have still got two of them in service.Jamie2k9 (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

fleet listing[edit]

why are wetleased Dorniers being listed as fleet? they'll only have them for a matter of weeks or days... —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Inclusion/removal of July 2011 crash-landing[edit]

I am initiating discussion because of an incipient edit war over the crash information. The inclusion criteria of WP:AIRCRASH say, among other things, that the damage to an aircraft must be serious to warrant inclusion of an incident/accident in an airline article. It does not say 'substantial', which by definition covers just about everything more than a dent by a bagagge loader. It is impossible to tell whether there is any structural damage to the ATR from photos that are available on the internet, but it doesn't look like serious damage and from my experience of other similar mishaps to aircraft, it is unlikely to be serious. IMO the onus is on those who want to include the information, to demonstrate that the damage to the aircraft is in fact serious. Under WP:GNG and the AIRCRASH criteria, the mere fact of the event occurring does not automatically confer notability. YSSYguy (talk) 05:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Agreed. It shouldn't be listed. --JetBlast (talk) 07:48, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Nope, please read here: WP:AIRCRASH. If we listed everything like this wikipedia would have pages of minor incidents like this. --JetBlast (talk) 09:27, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Jetblast, there are thousands of reports of minor incidents on other aviation pages....Antonio Mangorama Martin (talk) 19:38, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Well if you see them please remove them so the article complies with WP:AIRCRASH. Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 20:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Agreed. It shouldn't be listed. Jamie2k9 (talk) 00:25, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

Re-opening discussion[edit]

The accident resulted in a hull-loss, which is confirmed by the AAIU final report which was released today. Therefore WP:AIRCRASH is now met, and the accident should be covered. Mjroots (talk) 19:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

The aircraft was beyond economic repair and was broken up after the accident so worthy of a mention. MilborneOne (talk) 20:44, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
Agreed with the above. --JetBlast (talk) 21:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Suggest merging with Stobart Air[edit]

I would suggest merging the Aer Arann article with the Stobart Air article, with a redirect from Aer Arann to Stobart Air. Reason is that the two are essentially the same company, just renamed, i.e. all company history (contained in the Aer Arann article) is still relevant; even ownership hasn't changed, as Stobart Group have owned 45% of Aer Arann since 2010. In similar cases - e.g. the renaming of EADS to Airbus Group - the Wikipedia approach is the same one that I suggest for Aer Arann/Stobart Air, i.e. redirect from old name to new name.--afromme (talk) 15:05, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Additionally, I think that saying the airline went defunct on March 19, 2014 is incorrect, as the Aer Arann website is still operational, there is still no new logo, and the press release just states that the rebranding is to be completed by the end of the year, and is simply "the conclusion of the first phase of the airline’s ‘new beginning’ strategy.", as the press release says [1]--afromme (talk) 15:17, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
As seen by the real big mess up with EADS/Airbus it is sometimes best to leave the original named historic article and start again with the new name. MilborneOne (talk) 15:30, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
From an administrative point of view, it's of course more hassle to merge rather than just fork out, but forking out is simply inconsistent with Wikipedia policy, and confusing for readers. (Also, it's only administratively messy once a fork has already been created; in the German wikipedia, I was able to very simply move Aer Arann to Stobart Air, change pointers, and presto...). Additionally, it's simply incorrect to suggest (as the English wikipedia currently does) that Stobart Air is a different entity from Aer Arann and Aer Arann is now a defunct airline. It's the same company, with the same onwership, same staff, same fleet, just bearing a new name. So the only thing defunct is the old name. Besides EADS/Airbus Group, there's plenty of examples in the airline world where Wikipedia has a single entry for airlines that have undergone rebranding. For instance: USAir redirects to US Airways, Deutsche BA to DBA (airline), American Eagle Airlines redirects to Envoy Air, and so on. I don't see any reason to deviate from this approach specifically for Aer Arran/Stobart Air. --afromme (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2014 (UTC)