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Egyptian/Coptic is Extinct[edit]

The definition of an extinct language is "no native speakers, no living descendants". Egyptian/Coptic fits that definition, therefore the Egyptian branch of Afroasiatic is extinct. --Taivo (talk) 23:16, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

The information is unsourced and irrelevant, I don't think which ones are extinct and which ones are still existent needs to be mentioned in that particular list and without any further explanation. If you feel so passionately about keeping that then I suggest you make a new section describing it more thoroughly because the situation with Coptic/Egyptian is more complex than just "extinct". Turnopoems (talk) 15:08, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Turnopoems, three different editors disagree with you. Read WP:CONSENSUS. If a language has no native speakers and no living descendants, it is extinct. In this case the entire Egyptian branch of Afroasiatic is extinct and three other editors disagree with your opinion. --Taivo (talk) 18:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The issue is no longer about whether Coptic is extinct or not, which I pointed out earlier. As I said, I don't think just mentioning that it is extinct and leaving it at that will suffice because it does not correctly describe the status of the Coptic/Egyptian language. Adding an info box with a more thorough description of the situation regarding the Coptic language should do the trick. Turnopoems (talk) 20:50, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
The info box just gives the basics. It's normal practice to mark which languages and branches are extinct in lists like this. That's entirely appropriate. The details belong in the section or article on Coptic, and indeed, in that info box it's all spelled out. — kwami (talk) 21:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Refinements to the article[edit]

Will be gathering sources for proposed refinements...give me a day or three to gather them and report back here. The sources will have implications for this article as well as other Afroasiatic related articles...see the suggested scholarly sources on the Beja people talk page[1]. The information on these respective pages needs to be updated and refined. Found these sources in doing research. I think they can be very helpful in the article(s). A.Tamar Chabadi (talk) 23:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Actual numbers for Afroasiatic speakers[edit]

Berber Branch

14 million Atlas languages 5 million Kabyle language 1.5 million Riffian language 1.4 million Shawiya language 1.2 million Tuareg languages 180,000 Nafusi language 30,000 Siwi language 12,000 Ghadamès language 10,000 Ghomara language 5,600 Sokna language 3,000 Awjila language 2,100 Zenaga language

Total = 23,342,700

Chadic Branch

55 million Hausa language 400,000 Ngas language 300,000 Kamwe language 300,000 Mwaghavul language 250,000 Bade language 230,000 Massa language 230,000 Musey language 200,000 Goemai language 200,000 Gera language 150,000 Azumeina language 150,000 Karekare language 130,000 Tangale language 120,000 Ron language 110,000 Kofyar language 100,000 Bole language 25,000 Tumak language 81,000 Nancere language 80,000 Ngizim language 78,000 Warji language 60,000 Dangaléat language 60,000 Ngamo language 50,000 Kera language 50,000 Ngeté-Herdé language 50,000 Saya language 50,000 Boghom language 35,000 Mubi language 35,000 Peve language 34,000 Gabri language 30,000 Tobanga language 30,000 Miya language 27,000 Gwandara language 26,000 Lele language (Chad) 26,000 Fyer language 25,700 Masmaje language 25,000 Galambu language 25,000 Pero language 22,000 Montol language 22,000 Polci language 20,700 Zari language 20,000 Kimré language 20,000 Mesme language 20,000 Migaama language 20,000 Kanakuru language 18,000 Kabalai language 17,000 Kwang language 17,000 Jorto language 17,000 Pyapun language 16,000 Kulere language 15,000 Guruntum language 14,000 Bidiyo language 14,000 Giiwo language 14,000 Yiwom language 12,000 Mokilko language 12,000 Mburku language 11,000 Kushi language 11,000 Ɗuwai language 10,400 Birgit language 10,000 Kajakse language 10,000 Maaka language 10,000 Kwaami language 10,000 Tal language 9,000 Geruma language 8,800 Dass language 8,500 Toram language 8,000 Pa'a language 7,400 Somrai language 7,200 Diri language 7,000 Mogum language 6,500 Ndam language 6,000 Deno language 6,000 Miship language 6,000 Geji language 5,000 Mire language 5,000 Piya language 5,000 Cakfem-Mushere language 3,800 Siri language 3,100 Kir-Balar language 3,000 Koenoem language 3,000 Kutto language 3,000 Tambas language 3,000 Sha language 2,500 Kholok language 2,500 Gadang language 2,200 Zirenkel language 2,000 Sarua language 2,000 Ciwogai language 2,000 Kariya language 2,000 Zumbun language 1,500 Jonkor language 1,300 Jelkung language 1,100 Ubi language 1,000 Kujargé language 1,000 Tala language 1,000 Mundat language 1,000 Jimi language (Nigeria) 250 Miltu language 100 Boor language 40 Buso language 3 Mabire language

Total = 59,263,943

Cushitic Branch

17 million Somali language 4.5 million Eastern Oromo language 3.9 million Southern Oromo language 3 million Sidamo language 1.9 million Maay language 1.4 million Afar language 1.2 million Beja language 980,000 Gedeo language 890,000 Kambaata language 490,000 Awngi language 460,000 Iraqw language 280,000 Alaba-K’abeena language 250,000 Hadiyya language 240,000 Konso language 220,000 Saho language 210,000 Xamtanga language 91,000 Bilen language 70,000 Burji language 69,000 Gawwada language 66,000 Orma language 65,000 Dirasha language 60,000 Daasanach language 60,000 Rendille language 59,000 Libido language 58,000 Garre language 23,000 Tunni language 23,000 Dabarre language 22,000 Jiiddu language 18,000 Tsamai language 18,000 Bussa language 13,000 Waata language 8,000 Aweer language 7,200 Arbore language 5,500 Baiso language 1,700 Qimant language 1,500 Dobase language 400 Dahalo language 12 Ongota language 8 El Molo language

Total = 37,659,320

Egyptian Branch

? Coptic Language

Total = ?

Omotic Branch

2 million Gamo-Gofa-Dawro language 1.6 million Wolaytta language 830,000 Kafa language 350,000 Bench language 240,000 Aari language 160,000 Koore language 95,000 Maale language 93,000 Basketo language 92,000 Yem language 80,000 Shakacho language 74,000 Hamer language 56,000 Gayil language 39,000 Sheko language 38,000 Shinasha language 37,000 Oyda language 34,000 Dizin language 30,900 Dorze language 20,000 Melo language 19,000 Zayse-Zergulla language 13,000 Chara language 7,200 Nayi language 5,000 Bambassi language 3,000 Hozo language 3,000 Seze language 3,000 Ganza language 2,800 Kachama-Ganjule language 570 Dime language 500 Anfillo language

Total = 5,925,970

Semitic Branch

357-397 million Arabic language 25 million Amharic language 25 million Oromo language 7 million Hebrew language 7 million Tigrinya language 1 million Tigre language 940,000 Silt'e language 550,000 Aramaic language 440,000 Sebat Bet Gurage language 280,000 Inor language 260,000 Soddo language 200,000 Mesqan language 120,000 Mehri language 120,000 Harari language 90,000 Muher language 64,000 Soqotri language 44,000 Argobba language 25,000 Shehri language 4,900 Zay language 3,000 Dahalik language 600 Harsusi language 200 Bathari language 100 Hobyót language

Total = 425-465 million

Absolute Total = 551-591 million afroasiatic speakers

166.147.72.146 (talk) 01:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Afroasiatic[edit]

The arab league's population is somewhere between 380-420 million

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_League

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs

To account for the Berber speakers in the arab world you could subtract 23,000,000 million.

Which would leave you ranging with 357-397 Arabic speakers, which when tallied with the other Afroasiatic speakers, would still equal somewhere between 551-591 million afroasiatic speakers instead of 362 million speakers. These numbers have been double checked with population numbers in every country to verify the statistics are as correct as possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.147.72.157 (talk) 18:10, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Dear 166.147.72.157 (or 166.147.72.146, whatever your IP may be at any given time)! Thanks for assembling and researching this impressive amount of information. But before you go and edit any more articles based on that information, please read the Wikipedia policy on original research. In a nutshell, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia of published knowledge, and all information you add or change needs to go back to some high-quality verifiable source. Particularly, you are not allowed to include information that goes back to your own research, such as calculations on numbers that you draw up from a variety of sources, as you have done on this talk page (where it is perfectly fine to do it) and in some articles (where you are not allowed to use these numbers). Also note that Wikipedia pages do not count as reliable sources, and may not be quoted on Wikipedia to back up a claim. Although it may be true that adding up the numbers from all the above Wikipedia pages gets you to the total number you calculate, the nature of Wikipedia does not guarantee that all the numbers on all these pages are good numbers, and therefore such calculations are not permitted. These are the rules of Wikipedia, and not adhering to them will result in your edits being reverted, as has happened before. Another advice: other editors will look at your edits more kindly if you sign them with a proper Wikipedia user name, and not do them anonymously. Landroving Linguist (talk) 08:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)