Talk:Air (classical element)

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Would this page (and the equivalent pages for the other three elements) be an appropriate place to include information about the place of the elements in magick? Sara 23:02, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I don't see why not. Concepts can always be split from one another later. Courtland 02:37, 2005 Mar 14 (UTC)

This is horrible[edit]

Oh come on! There are no sources and people give associations to elements willy nilly. Lets see some refferences. And what is up with the "anonymous poem". That doesn't deserve to be there. This whole thing depresses me

I fully agree. The article is in desperate need of citations.154.20.208.181 23:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

do you happen to recall what the poem was, i cant remember the name or who wrote it.

Associations[edit]

At least in the Golden Dawn and subsequent Thelemic traditions, Air is associated with the suit of Swords; Fire is associated with wands. More information on this page about its real Greek roots I think would be most illuminating and useful to all.

Why is this just about modern usage? It would have been nice to have some information about the original Greek use of the concept. 9:18 March 26 2006 (UTC)

Spring?[edit]

I thought that wind was associated with autumn, earth was attributed to spring, and water to winter. I also thought that Djinns were fire elementals. AncientNova 03:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite needed[edit]

Everyone seems to be in agreement that the articles on different classical elements are in need of serious help. I am preparing a new version of the Air article that will provide more structure, history, and references, and maybe serve as a model for revising the other element articles. This note is so anyone who is attached to the current version has a chance to speak up. I'm afraid it will be pretty eurocentric though, because of my own limitations. Maestlin 23:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Downward-pointing?[edit]

The article includes a point-up triangle, and says 'The alchemical symbol for air is a downward-pointing triangle, bisected by a horizontal line.' and references a page where the triangle is shown point-up again. I would have thought 'downward pointing' would mean 'point-down'.--Jcvamp 05:52, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

My mistake. Thanks for catching that! It is now fixed. Maestlin 17:51, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. My nit-picking paid off for once ;-)--Jcvamp 18:08, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

The Color Yellow[edit]

Where does this association of air with the color yellow originate from? I thought that earth was supposed to be associated with the color yellow!

I know that I've seen it associated with blue (azure dragon of the east) and even green in other sources. Wood is characterized by the color brown or green in the eastern tradition, and is supposed to be the element closet to air in most comparisons. Is there any basis for any of these characterizations? 24.107.44.119 10:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

There is some backing to the color yellow and the element of air, usually in relation to gold and metals or the sun's illumination. I believe it's traditionally a Celtic link, but, there does need to be citation on this and in this whole group of article sas well. Argentak (talk) 09:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Two Arals?[edit]

I don't get it. Why are there two Arals? One's the Fire Angel, while the other is the Air Ruler. Are they the same? --68.82.228.237 (talk) 18:38, 11 April 2010 (UTC)