Talk:Al-Andalus

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Pagans?[edit]

"Those who were neither Christians nor Jews, such as Pagans, were given the status of Majus."

The claim that there were "pagans" surviving in eighth-century Spain (or any religious group besides Christians, Jews, or Muslims) is a bold one. I found the reference to this in the Google Books edition of the footnote given, but the book by Salma Jayyusi is probably not a reliable source, as it's a "history" written by someone whose training is in poetry. Whatever the claim itself in the book is footnoted to isn't available in the preview. Suggest finding a better source for this odd claim or deleting it. Predestiprestidigitation (talk) 23:15, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Section stubbing[edit]

In response to the RFC[1] changes need to be made here. I am in favor of blanking the section Enduring influence on Iberian Peninsula and rebuilding it based on discussions that should take place here on the talk page. J8079s (talk) 17:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

From [2];

I happened to stumble upon POV material at Enduring influence on Iberian Peninsula which had been long removed elsewhere. I tried a bit, but it is almost impossible to rectify Jagged's account, so I would argue for total removal, so that people have the opportunity to start from scratch. What do you think? Gun Powder Ma (talk) 01:55, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Second that. Typical Jaggedian screed. Some of it might be salvageable, but at this point it is probably easier to rewrite it from scratch. Athenean (talk) 14:32, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Be Bold Use the talk page for rebuilding. J8079s (talk) 17:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
Removed entire problematic section. Verified contents can be reincluded from this version. Gun Powder Ma (talk) 20:26, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Umayyad Dynasty[edit]

I am getting ready to write a large addition to the Cordoba section but am vacillating on where to place it. My first thoughts based on the books Encyclopedia Britannica that I am initially reading is to place them in either a new section of Umayyad Dynasty or to create an Arab Umayyad Dynasty in Spain or something similar page. However there are other options such as Caliphate of Cordoba or even Al-Andalus, which I actually think is the worst of the options. I am going to think on it and see what others in the know have to say. I also brought home a bunch of books on African History and Asian History but forget that Spain has a lot of involvement in the History of North Africa for a period, so I will need to go to my University Library and get more books. Anyway please chime in, let me know what you think. If I don't get a lot of strong opinions one way or the other I will just be BOLD, and do what I think is best from all of my sources. speednat (talk) 05:59, 4 May 2013 (UTC)
If you want to compile extensive information on the Umayyads in Spain, the Al-Andalus article is probably not the appropriate place to iclude all of that. Instead write a new article and link it here. --Kmhkmh (talk) 09:37, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

There are pages on the Emirate of Cordoba (756-929) and the Caliphate of Cordoba (929-1031). You could place it there, partitioning according to period. Walrasiad (talk) 11:52, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

The main thing I want to accomplish is to be consistent. I am, at this point, only working with one real source, and they are calling them the Umayyad Dynasty. I wish I hadn't forgotten, when I was at the U yesterday that Iberia and North Africa were closely linked until the 15th century. I probably won't make it back to the library until end of next week or beginning of the week after. I could always look through the online journals that I have access to or even <ahem> use the <ahem> public library. speednat (talk) 13:16, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Mosque or Cathedral[edit]

For what it's worth, I find it offensive to refer to the (whatever) in Córdoba as a Cathedral. (See my edit which was undone today). It was built as a mosque, and the cathedral part, controversial from when it was built onwards, is about 10% of the whole. No one in Córdoba, except priests, ever calls it the Cathedral. No tourist itinerary in Spain says "we're going to take you to the Cathedral (or even Cathedral-Mosque) of Córdoba." The Mosque is beautiful, and I've yet to hear anyone call the Cathedral that. When I studied Spanish art (in Spain) it was never called the Cathedral. Legally it is true, the Catholic church controls it and calls it a Cathedral. But I think it's doing the reader a disservice, as well as being on the wrong side of history and popular opinion, to refer to it as a Cathedral.deisenbe (talk) 16:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree it's not well worded at present, but as the revert says, it _is_ used by the Catholics today. How about "The interior of the Great Mosque of Córdoba (now the Catholic Cathedral-Mosque)" ? Pinkbeast (talk) 16:59, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Personal feelings aside, my understanding is that if no khutbah is preached, no adhān is called, and no rakaats [3] are prayed at the former Great Mosque, it cannot properly be designated a mosque today. Otherwise, readers would get the impression that Roman Catholic and Islamic services are being held conterminously. Carlstak (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
The way it is now is much better. Thank you.deisenbe (talk) 19:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for calling attention to the issue. I had meant to get it right with the partial revert, but mixed it up with the same edit page open on another tab in my browser. I certainly take your point, but wanted to avoid confusing the reader. Carlstak (talk) 22:39, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Etymology[edit]

No mention of Casiri's etymology, which Edward Gibbon endorsed. French Wikipedia has an article devoted to the etymology of Al-Andalus: Étymologie d'Al-Andalus et de l'Andalousie - Eroica (talk) 14:04, 2 September 2014 (UTC)