Talk:Al-Bireh

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Al Bireh is also the temporary capital of Palestine until a Palestinian capital is founded in East Jerusalem. Al Bireh has a population of about 40,000 Palestinians.

Trouble[edit]

The last section, in transliteration, uses ACA, which is DEFINATELY not scholarly/encyclopedic! 68.39.174.238 02:12, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

capital[edit]

this information was deleted because it is misleading and not sourced, as first of all "muhafaza" mean governorate and not capital, and second of all it was never ever considered as a al-Bireh Ramallah and al-Bireh Governorate.--213.6.36.81 (talk) 09:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Mosque[edit]

I added a photo of a mosque that describes it as an al-Bireh mosque. It appears in the Wikicommons for al-Bireh. It appears on several other Wikiprojects on the al-Bireh page. An editor claims it is in Ramallah, and writes he is removing it "again," as if we are involved in some kind of edit war about it. I don't care one way or another about mosques in al-Bireh, but if the description on the photo is wrong and there is evidence for that (do you live there, Asad?), then perhaps you should fix it in the Commons. Thanks.--Geewhiz (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Jamal Abdel-Naser's Mosque nableezy - 15:35, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
There was no edit war as far as I know, I was just referring to the when I had earlier removed the photo. Its not your fault for properly reading the commons description, Gilabrand, because the Commons and Wikiprojects have gotten it wrong. I am not in Palestine anymore, but I have been to Ramallah about a gazallion times and can tell you that you could probably throw a rock (no pun intended) from the mosque and it would land on the Al-Manara roundabout. As far as changing it, I am not really involved in the commons too much, but I will look into it. -asad (talk) 17:47, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry Asad. I didn't realize the photo had been removed before. I was just browsing through the commons and didn't look at the article history.--Geewhiz (talk) 17:53, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Residents[edit]

Arabs in many West Bank areas are defined in Israeli law as 'residents', Gilabrand. Israelis in Israel are defined as citizens. Less than a moment's thought would tell you that Ahmad Sa'adat for most of his life has been a resident in Israeli or Palestinian gaols. He is not a resident of Al-Bireh. I care only for verbal precision, and 'Notable people' can be used, or 'People from Al-Bireh'.Nishidani (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Articles about cities and towns across Wikipedia have "notable residents" section. This particular fellow was born in al-Bireh, and there is a reference to back it up. Where he spent the rest of his life, in jail or not, doesn't matter. At some point in his life he was a resident. Anyhow, it's good to see you here. Nobody seems to care much about fixing up articles about Palestinian towns and cities. For some reason squabbling about terminology on settlement articles is more popular. Interesting, how these articles can languish for years and nobody takes an interest until I come along...But maybe that's all to the good. Best--Geewhiz (talk) 17:48, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm not a squabbler, Gila, despite the horrid reputation for being an absolute bore over details. Jaakobou said I was a word-nut. He might be right: I come to articles with an ear and eye that stops frequently over words which do not seem natural to me in context, and go and worry the issue to death. I'm a resident in a foreign country, and everyone else around me is a citizen. As a substantive, I use it in this strong sense: as an adjective in a broader sense. At Jerusalem recently, we had a long discussion on 'Residents', and the consensus was to get rid of it, shift that to another page. Nothing was done however, and there as in a quite a few other places you get 'Residents of' with a list of editors favourite blow-ins or politicians or movie stars. Just in terms of commonsense, I think 'Notable people from' is more restrictive, and more informative. Once you have 'residents', just anyone existentially or historically not culturally at home in a city can nab the glamour of association. Perhaps this just reflects my Irish clannishness about who belongs and who doesn't, but before making that edit, I thought from a Palestinian perspective, 'resident' has an association they might think not quite 'homely' and rather fly-by-night. I hope the Asads and Tiamats here can give some input since I may be wrong.
Yes, we should certainly do more, it's a glaring problem. But I personally am trying to live more in my own interests these days, rather selfishly, since every time I try to make straightforward edits, I get dragged into endless arguments (for which I too am responsible). Cheers- Nishidani (talk) 18:04, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
More cogently, were I for example to become 'notable' (God forbid) I would qualify as a 'resident' in over a dozen cities and towns, one in Israel, all of which would be silly.Nishidani (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

not WP:RS?[edit]

http://davelivingston.com/ does not seem to be a WP:RS to me. According to the About the Author-page, he has a certain agenda. He can be useful in finding sources (like Robinson, Thomsen etc.) , though, see: Locating Biblical Bethel Correctly - Part I, Locating Biblical Bethel Correctly - Part II

And since there is some discussion about wether Beeroth (biblical city) is Bireh, or not...I think everything which directly relates only to Beeroth should go into the Beeroth (biblical city)-article. Eg that it is mentioned by It is mentioned by Saint Jerome. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

People who believe rubbish like that the Earth is only a few thousand years old should not be even considered as reliable sources. We should have a preference for science and avoid anti-science. Zerotalk 02:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Heh, I never even got that far that I discovered he had those views, I guess this comes from googling up any kind of garbage. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 15:43, 4 November 2013 (UTC)


The source http://www.biblearchaeology.org/ is used in the article Beeroth (biblical city).

From the founders corner: http://www.biblearchaeology.org/category/Founders-Corner.aspx it is clear that the founder was no other than the above David Livinston. I´m removing it from the Beeroth-article. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:17, 27 May 2014 (UTC)