Talk:Albuquerque, New Mexico

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Example restaurants[edit]

While I personally agree that The Frontier is a culturally important part of ABQ's history, I'm reluctant to list it in the article without a WP:SECONDARY source saying so. Saying that a place is culturally important, without explaining why it's important (with a source), is just WP:PEACOCK. Additionally, without solid sources these sections always seem to degrade into bland lists of every restaurant in a city with no indication of which ones are significant, and which ones paid a publicist for some WP:COVERT advertising. That may be an extreme example, but Blake's Lotaburger had some suspicious activity in that direction in the past, so I don't think this is a minor issue that should be taken lightly. Grayfell (talk) 03:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

New Mexican cuisine is extremely important throughout New Mexico, and the same holds true for Albuquerque. Since this is the largest city in the state, this food plays an important part of the city's culture. In much the same way that Tokyo's cuisine is internationally acclaimed. Several restaurants have become iconic staples in the city, since Albuquerque was a city on several historic trade routes; Atchison, Topeka and Santa Fe Railway, U.S. Route 66, Interstate 40, and Interstate 25. In fact one of the oldest buildings in the state, is a restaurant. There are several universally accepted restaurants in Albuquerque, according the articles I'll supply; Casa de Ruiz, Los Poblanos, Cecilia's Cafe, Sadie's, El Pinto, El Modelo, Frontier Restaurant, Garduño's, Little Anita's, Mac's La Sierra, The Candy Lady, Blake's Lotaburger, and so many more. My prior list was accurate, but here's the sourcing. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. I can find more sources, but Albuquerque's cuisine is important to the history of the city, and not in a small way. Smile Lee (talk) 06:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Those links show me that I'm doing a really bad job at getting my point across. What do this city's trade-routes have to do with iconic restaurants? That's something that should be explained in the article, not here. Nobody is denying that good restaurants exist in Albuquerque. Saying that food is important to the city's culture is subjective. Which cities value food less? Which value it more? It's not really helpful to be setting it up that way. Ask some anthropologists, and I'm sure most will tell you that food is important to ALL cultures. Saying that it's important, without explaining why it's important, or how its different from other cultures, is kinda WP:PEACOCKy to me.
Singling out a restaurant because it has gotten good reviews is understandable, but it's not always neutral. If we list every restaurant that has gotten attention from the press, the list becomes very long, and functionally useless, so we need to be selective in who we're mentioning, and why. I'm not questioning your motives, but the end result is that some restaurants are getting additional promotion, while others are not. We need to have a good reason to provide that advertising. If you want to make a point about food-culture in Albuquerque, you should find sources that talk specifically about food culture. Reviews and travel-guide listings are selective samples of what's trendy and positive, and are only a very superficial, commercially motivated examination of the city's culture. I think it is better to avoid listing any specific restaurants without a solid, in-depth source that specifically links it to the city's food culture, or that describes it as being exemplary. If that means no specific restaurants are mentioned, I think the article is better off for it. I know it's a high standard, but I don't think it's an unreasonable one. NYC gets away without mentioning The Four Seasons or Ray's Pizza, after all. I know, I know, OTHERSTUFF. Grayfell (talk) 07:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Agree completely with Grayfell. Actually, I would prefer to not see any restaurants at all. You are begging for crufting up the article. If we do list restaurants, a baseline requirement should be WP:N. But I do not know what purpose even listing notable eating places would serve. Certainly you could make a point about cuisine without listing any extant establishments? By listing any open eating places, we are begging for that crufty list thing and are rapidly in the territory of WP:NOTGUIDE. John from Idegon (talk) 09:26, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Of course food is important to every single group of people, I've studied anthropology. But in anthropologic studies there is a huge difference between personal identity impact and cultural impact. The aspect of food in New Mexican culture is significant in an extreme way. Its comparable to Southern American cuisine, but it has a slightly broader scope than that. Here's an article that covers a tiny piece of it from Fast Company (magazine) [6]. The cultural connection between New Mexicans and their cuisine caused it to become an identity for them. WP:N doesn't have anything to do with the content of articles, though I agree that a list of restaurants could make it lean towards WP:NOTGUIDE. I have opted to just explain it without listing anything, and further fleshing out the articles on Wikipedia related to New Mexico's culture. I'll return to editing here, after I've added a bit more specifics on Albuquerque's part in the cultural identity of the state and its people. Smile Lee (talk) 21:31, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Demography[edit]

The Ethnicity percentages don't add up

69.7% Caucasian 4.6% Multiracial 4.6% American Indian 3.3% Black 2.6% Asian 15.1% Other 46.7% Hispanic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.188.93.39 (talk) 23:50, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

According to the cited source, "Hispanics may be of any race, so also are included in applicable race categories." Thus "Hispanic" is an indicator of ethnicity, not race. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 00:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Organization[edit]

I'm re-arranging the order of some sections for a more logical presentation. The geography section now flows from the physical features to the layout of the city; the architecture section was moved to the Arts & Culture section; etc. Also spreads some images and tables to break up some cluttered areas. More content needed in many sections, of course. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 00:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Police Shootings[edit]

Do you think we should add a section regarding the recent issues regarding the police, particularly the shooting of James Boyd? It made international headlines and sparked protests throughout the city. As a resident of ABQ I can tell you that people are still very much talking about it and the wounds have not healed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartianColony (talkcontribs) 03:41, 25 April 2015‎

The article link is James Boyd shooting. Adding a very brief mention seems like a good idea. The incident doesn't define the city, but it's a notable incident in its history. Grayfell (talk) 04:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

City Councilors[edit]

I see that the mayor is mentioned but the 9 city councilors are not. Is that information that should be included? http://www.cabq.gov/council — Preceding unsigned comment added by MartianColony (talkcontribs) 03:41, 25 April 2015‎

That seems unnecessary. It would be a good addition to Government of Albuquerque, New Mexico, though. Grayfell (talk) 03:58, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

"Albaricoque" explanation[edit]

The current article includes this curious tidbit:

Western folklore offers a different explanation, tracing the name Albuquerque to the Galician word albaricoque, meaning "apricot". The apricot was brought to New Mexico by Spanish settlers, possibly as early as 1743. As the story goes, the settlement was established near an apricot tree, and became known as La Ciudad de Albaricoque. As frontiersmen were unable to correctly pronounce the Galician word, it became corrupted to "Albuquerque".

Actually, Western folklore does not offer this explanation, a writer named LB Mitchell offers this explanation in a 1949 issue of a journal entitled Western Folklore (per the footnote). Other curiosities include the fact that albaricoque also means apricot in Spanish, not just Galician. Finally, it seems farfetched to believe that Albuquerque is a corruption of albaricoque when the city had a governor whose name was Albuquerque, obviously a much more plausible explanation. This whole section should just be erased in my opinion. Valkotukka (talk) 22:30, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Mitchell attributes this explanation to "folk etymology" and points out difficulties with the "albus quercus" derivation. The passage could certainly be improved, but it is properly sourced. At any rate, an editor disagreeing with the conclusion of a RS is not grounds for removal. Laszlo Panaflex (talk) 23:18, 21 May 2015 (UTC)