Talk:Alcohol abuse

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Created Stub[edit]

I changed this article from a redirect to a stub. The psychiatric diagnosis of alcohol abuse is distinct from the vague term "alcoholism," and is the primary usage of the phrase in medicine and science. Furthermore, the alcoholism article does not adequately discuss the topic. I have linked to alcoholism in the intro which should allow people to find it if that is what they're really looking for. --Elplatt 18:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

General Alcohol Info Goes Elsewhere[edit]

Keep in mind, that this page is only for DSM-IV alcohol abuse, and related info (medical, legal, history, etc.) not general alcohol/alcoholism info. I removed the following because it does not pertain directly to DSM-IV alcohol abuse.

The use of alcohol affects the brain's control center; because of this, a person who drinks too much alcohol may experience difficulty with walking and other everyday tasks. A person may also behave in a way that they would never behave when not under the influence of alcohol.
Many health problems arise when you take alcohol. For example,heavy use of alcohol can cause liver damage and may result in cirrhosis. Alcohol abuse can also cause cardiomyopathy and arrhythmia. Pregnant women who drink alcohol put their babies in risk.
Excessive alcohol use can damage a person's ability to make good judgements. Because of this, it can lead to behavior like sucide and violence.

--Elplatt 05:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Too much space devoted to "Drinking Permits"[edit]

Huh? 2/3rds of the article devoted to "Drinking Permits"? Doesn't make sense to me. This article is supposed to be about alcohol abuse, not about drinking permits. If anything, there should be a reference to drinking permits as a separate topic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.18.32 (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Merge to alcoholism[edit]

This page needs so much cleanup that I think it is better to cut our losses and merge this into Alcoholism. This page is full of POV, unreferenced statements, it is very far from comprehensive, and nowhere near resembles what an encylopedic article should look like on this topic. Fences and windows (talk) 19:23, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Support. Lol, get rid of this disgrace. It gives no real info, and even the title is POV.--Metalhead94 (talk) 22:37, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Decline, 3-1 with one abstaining. Those of us on the Alcoholism page gave considerable discussion to the idea, but feel that the topics of alcoholism and alcohol abuse are not compatible. Alcoholism is anything that causes a person to drink beyond the point that it causes harm. Alcohol abuse is the actual process of drinking too much. Therefore alcoholism causes alcohol abuse. This is like attempting to merge a page on fevers to a page on influenza. Some note of this might be made on this page. I've noted on the alcoholism page that the vote has gone against this.
Those truly interested in improving the page might want to shore it up with statistics of binge drinking among college age people. This is a form of alcoholism that doesn't actually have a basis in physical medicine, being largely caused by inexperience and perception of social advantage. Robert Rapplean (talk) 14:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this debate still open? Somebody put the merge tag on yesterday. If this is still being debated then I disagree with a merge. You can abuse alcohol without being an alcoholic. Amn12 (talk) 21:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

USA College binge drinking and Alcohol abuse[edit]

Moved from User talk:Incnis Mrsi#Alcohol abuse

I see that you have moved 'USA College binge drinking' back to 'Alcohol abuse'.

I agree with you that 'Alcohol abuse' is a serious, international subject. The content of the article, however, does not describe the disease or its effects in the world. The content describes the problems of college students in the United States.

Could I suggest that you undo the move and start a new article 'Alcohol abuse' with content about the disease and its problems in the world? A stub would be valuable as a begining. Thanks! jmcw (talk) 10:06, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure that splitting this article is a good deal? I have no objections, split it in that way which you consider appropriate, move some text to alcoholism, or even redirect “alcohol abuse” there etc, but there is another piece of job to do: interwiki. Propose a way to set up correctly these interwikis in another languages, which BTW, were botched by your renaming [1][2][3]. All these 3 wikis have a distinct article on alcoholism. There is another projects in the Foundation but English Wikipedia, and even another people in the world but English speaking. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 11:07, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
My apologies for breaking the interwiki links. I would suggest that I create a new article 'USA College binge drinking', remove that information from this article and put in a 'see also'. Would this be acceptable to you? jmcw (talk) 11:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Incnis_Mrsi has some concerns only about a structure, such as broken interwikis and semantically incorrect redirects. If you are sure that “alcohol abuse” will not be merged to “alcoholism”, then split the article. If will merge, then renaming to “USA College binge drinking” is not a bad idea (we have some economy on split-merge operations), but, of course, you have to remove interwikis, repair the redirect page and check categories in the article. Incnis Mrsi (talk) 15:16, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Horrible article[edit]

Can someone please fix this article up a little? I don't know too much about alcoholism or alcohol abuse (which I realize are different). Also, the prevention section should be deleted since 1: it's blank and 2: saying that you can prevent alcohol abuse is like saying you can prevent drinking soda. Just don't do it (in excess- which is POV) and then it isn't abuse. If you can't stop yourself from doing it then you are probably an alcoholic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amn12 (talkcontribs) 04:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! You are the someone to fix this article. Remember WP:BOLD, WP:NOR, WP:NPOV and don't forget to sign your posts with '''~~~~'''. jmcw (talk) 08:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Agree[edit]

"Horrible" is too strong a word. But for an article as important as this "completely inadequate" might be appropriate. I'm getting started now, tweaking definitions, and about to make signs & symptoms more clinically relevant. My science and citations should be pretty good, but I always welcome a good editor... PCAndrew (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes the article needs a lot of work and expanding. Previously it was full of amateurish original research which had to be trimmed out until the article was not much more than a stub. It is still in the slow process of developing. Your contributions would be most welcome.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 02:01, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Right now, the article reads like a propaganda piece from middle school. Against the dangers of alcohol. While these observations may be correct, it is not encyclopedic in the least and certainly is off-putting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.231.108.8 (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Gives me the shakes[edit]

"Frequent binge drinking or getting severely drunk more than twice is classed as alcohol misuse.[3]"

With the ref an article about abuse in adolescents. The next sentence and ref is also about adolescents. Could someone rewrite so that anyone being splashed three times in their whole lives is not grounds for being damned forever? Shenme (talk) 08:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

I can't see the need for any re-write. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.215.180 (talk) 17:33, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
You can easily be damned for a single drunken crime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.123.215.180 (talk) 17:35, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi Shenme! I removed that sentence, because the source said: " Misuse can be defined in several ways" - and not that this is the definite definition of misuse. 213.123.215.180, your first sentence did not state any argument for your opinion. And getting drunk, and driving drunk are not the same thing, just as having a gun and killing someone with it are not the same thing. Lova Falk talk 09:36, 2 November 2013 (UTC)