# Talk:Aleph

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## Article names, scope

Should these articles be moved to the Phoenician titles, treating the Phoenician letters and their immediate descendants (Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic)? Please see Talk:Alif. dab () 10:59, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

## Alif

I am confused, why was alif merged into this article? --Knulclunk 13:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

I did it based on the previous discussion of having one Phoenician page for each letter and its decendents, except for the the 6 unique Arabic letters (ṯāʼ, ḫāʼ, ḍād, ẓāʼ, ġayn). Epson291 (talk) 07:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

So, I can except that you linguists can handle this better than me, but if we want to add an article Alif (band), how should we get to it if someone types in alif and it is redirected to aleph? --Knulclunk (talk) 14:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

A disambugation link can be placed at the top of this article (see below of example), or if warented 'Alif' could be a disambugation page instead. Epson291 (talk) 01:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
"Alif" redirects here, for other uses, see Alif (disambiguation).

Sounds good. I'll write my stub first, then we can link it in. Thanks!--Knulclunk (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

## Origin

The origin of aleph is not from Semitic, but from IDE. It's the same word as Latvian galva 'head', and means the same, i.e., 'ox head'. Etymologically aleph < PIE *galuvā 'head'. Roberts7 16:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

In Maltese aleph written as 'ghalef' means to feed the animals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.133.92.245 (talk) 21:11, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

## Arabic "broken alif"

The Arabic "broken alif" should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 22:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Done. Badagnani (talk) 20:05, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

## Alif mamduda

The Arabic ʼalif mamdūda (), which is mentioned in the table at Romanization of Arabic, should be mentioned. Badagnani (talk) 20:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

## Representations of the letter

This article needs to, like most letter articles do, fill us in on the various Unicode and other representations of the letter.

It should mention the Unicode character you can get by using the symbol character &alefsym; (ℵ) as well as the TeX math markup aleph character $\aleph$ ($\aleph$) used in the aleph number article. The &alfsym; is used, for example, in the real number article, which is the only reason I know about it (that character redirects to aleph number, not here). Can someone fill us in on its Unicode number and the like, and that of the different Unicode aleph character which appears in the Hebrew alphabet (א} (which redirects here, unlike the &alefsym; character), etc. Are there others, perhaps variants in the Hebrew letters block of Unicode?

• $\aleph \,$ math markup
• Unicode alef symbol for mathematics usage
• א Unicode Hebrew letter aleph

Gene Nygaard (talk) 12:07, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

What's the name of "alif madda" (آ) in Arabic? Is it ألف مدة?

## Questions on the Article

This article requires some serious citations. As accepted as it may or may not be, the Origins section all needs to be cited. Additionally, why is this under WikiProject Judaism? Michael Sheflin (talk) 02:59, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

See Section 3. -- Evertype· 07:07, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Why is arabic the last one but it starts with A? It should be alphabetic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.200.32 (talk) 16:28, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

It reflects the actual historical development of the characters, of course. That should be immediately obvious to anyone. -- Evertype· 07:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)