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Material from the 1911 article[edit]

This page needs some drastic updating by someone familiar with the modern city. I'm moving some of the more dated material from the 1911 article here, for reference; some of it may be suitable for working back in, but I'm willing to bet that much no longer applies. Catherine

City[edit]

Alien city[edit]

This sounds like it should be "more detached from Rome", but I'm not sure. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by CatherineMunro (talkcontribs).
What is meant here is that Alexandria remained in many ways a Graeco-Roman city, part of the classical European cultural sphere, while the surrounding country turned somewhat away from it, so that Alexandria became something of a foreign entity in its own country. --Santetjan 9 July 2005 18:40 (UTC)

Regarding the Library of Alexandria[edit]

The story of Abulfaragius[edit]

I have added this section and also kept previous one.

The famous Library of Alexandria had been destroyed much earlier - in 3rd century during a civil war in the time of the Roman Emperor Aurelian. The myth that the Arabs destroyed it was a lie invented by 13th century Christian propagandists. Source: [Sword of Prophet, writer: Robert Goldston, Pg 56, The Dial Press New York, 1979] --Itsalif 21:16, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

Arabic not native[edit]

Arabic isn't the native language of Egypt; the sentence comparing it with (among others) Greek is highly misleading, since Greek has been spoken there for far longer than Arabic. Coptic is actually the language with the best claim to be "native" (it evolved from ancient Egyptian languages), but even that is as wrong as saying that English is the native language of the Anglo-Saxons. But I can't really think of a better phrase. "Arabic is the dominant language" perhaps? "majority language"? Suggestions please. PML. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.16.172.8 (talkcontribs).

Arabic is both the official language and the language spoken by the indigenous (i.e. Egyptian) population. It is put next to Greek, amongst others, as Greek is spoken by a number of foreigners (and maybe some clergymen?), not by the Egypt-born population, give or take a few exceptions. To say that Arabic is Egypt's native language nowadays is like saying that English is Britain's native language, which is true unless the concept of of 'native' is stretched to its limits. --Santetjan 9 July 2005 18:36 (UTC)

Some things to think about[edit]

History to present day.

Think the Egyptian Revolution, Suez Crisis (i.e. when did the British leave?)

Dunc_Harris| 11:19, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The British Occupation[edit]

The entry narrating the justification of the British invasion is biased and rather vague on the details. Either do not attempt to justify anything in this entry or narrate it in more depth. In its current form it is unsatisfactory. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Karmish (talkcontribs)

OtherUses template[edit]

Please change the article to use Template:OtherUses instead of Template:otheruses it currently uses. The OtherUses template has information about the contents of the article.

{{OtherUses|info=information about the contents of the article}}

For a sample use of this template refer to the articles Alabama or Algiers--—The preceding unsigned comment was added by DuKot (talkcontribs) .

Note that that functionality is now at {{otheruses1}}. {{OtherUses}} redirects to {{otheruses}}, and is deprecated.--Srleffler 18:41, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

American English[edit]

Can we please, wherever possible, try and avoid Americanisms which always give English prose such a vulgar, uneducated flavour. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.252.250 (talkcontribs)

While you may well have a point, such a sweeping and critical remark should come with some examples. Also, Americans are not all vulgar and uneducated and we do not have a monopoly on such perspectives; I've seen "The Benny Hill Show". Cranston Lamont 21:52, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Agreed. "Pardon me, could you please direct me to the nearest restroom? Thank you" sounds like the gruntings of a drunk australopithecus compared to the sonorous utterance of "OY! Warez da bloo'y toilet at, loike?!" from the sublime tongue of an Englishman. Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 17:57, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

PLEASE READ AND UPDATE ALEXANDRIA ARTICLE[edit]

99 times out of 100 I am satisfied if not impressed with the compreheniveness and level of detail in Wikipedia and it's 1,000,000 articles in general. That is what made this article all the more shocking to me. I am not really very good at creating or ediing articles, but I had to make what I considered to be a much needed (emergency) addition to the article. There was basically no information on the modern city in the article which is quite frankly egregious for a city of Alexandrias prominence and renown. It is after all Egypt's second city with well over three million people, not some desert backwater. I hope someone reads my appeal to add an entire section dealing with todays Alexandria as my modifications were barebones according to my skill at editing articles PLEASE READ THIS AND UPDATE!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.146.173.207 (talkcontribs)

I was looking forward to read about this great city, but found the article to short. Some locals should write here, and tell us more about Alexandria. It's quite fascinating to think about how this city developed, from ancient towards modern time, and how buildings where built on top of old buildings and ruins through the time. Ironicaly Alexandria had the greatest libary ever, which disappeared in the 600's. Ships from all over the world entered the harbour, and they had to give away all the books that was on the ship. They got a copy back, and the original books stayed in the libary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.203.8.61 (talkcontribs)

Modern Alexandria[edit]

Great for the history of Alexandria, but could use more information on what the city is like today. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Poiubvcx888 (talkcontribs)

Not only today, but something about the great changes that have come over it in the past century. Cranston Lamont 21:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Start Talking about Modern Alexandria[edit]

Obviously most of the readers of Alexandria's article have noticed a shortage of information about modern Alexandria. Introducing myself as an Alexandrian, I shall start a new section under the title of Modern Alexandria, but actually I'm not good at writing and editing articles. So I shall post some images that may be stimulating for some wikipedians to start writing about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheEgyptian (talkcontribs)

Theatre vs. Amphitheatre[edit]

I went ahead and changed the tag on the theatre image. A Roman amphitheatre is fully round. The theatre in the picture is clearly semi-circular, and therefore a regular theatre. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pyzmark (talkcontribs) 00:40, 11 March 2007 (UTC).

I just reverted the edit, as I found it's the name used commonly in Egypt for it.--TheEgyptian 23:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Okay fine. It makes perfect sense, since the article deals with modern Alexandria as well. However, and I think this is an acceptable compromise between historical accuracy and modern usage, I felt it necessary to add parentheses to the caption. It won't do to go misleading people on a Wikipedia article - it really is what Wikipedia is trying to avoid these days. Pyzmark 15:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

The section about the neighbourhood[edit]

Looks like a list. I suggest writing a paragraph, talking about the famous neighbourhoods, and giving a link to the whole list.--TheEgyptian 22:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:AlexFlag.gif[edit]

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Five races of Alexandria?[edit]

The 6th paragraph in Durrell's Justine begins: "Five races, five languages, a dozen creeds: five fleets turning through their greasy reflections behind the harbour bar." The dozen creeds aside does anyone know whether Durrell was referring to five races and five languages on purpose or did he just draw a number from the air to represent Alexandria's diversity? Perhaps the five fleets have a historic basis? If anyone can clear this up I'd be much obliged. Ahassan05 15:48, 16 June 2007 (UTC)ahassan05

Perhaps Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Arabs...and Ottomans? Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 17:59, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Number of foreigners[edit]

How many foreigners were there living in Alexandria before the 1960s? Does anyone know? And how they broke down into Italians, Greeks, Armenians...? Ahassan05 17:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)ahassan05

The above was written a very long time ago, but I have to relate that the Greeks weren't foreigners. The community dated back from the time of the Ptolomies and thus they were native. They were all expelled in 1956Ericl (talk) 18:18, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
It is doubtful many-if any- of the Alexandria Greek community dated back from the time of the Ptolemies as in the early 1800s Alexandria was a tiny port city of little importance, smaller then Damietta or Rosetta. The Greek (and Arab Egyptian and Levantine, and Italian) communities were by and large the product of 19th century immigration to Alexandria. Many (not all) were foreign as the Greeks and Italians and Armenians and Levantines and French and British often carried non-Egyptian passports that meant they were not subject to local laws. Ahassan05 (talk) 03:59, 19 February 2013 (UTC)ahassan05

Alexandrian "Accent"[edit]

The section on dialectical differences between the speech of Cairo and that of Alexandria needs to be re-written to follow the norms of the English language. It might also be better to just move it to a new article such as "Alexandrian Arabic" or to the existing article on Egyptian Arabic. -- Slacker 06:19, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Alexandria Language School (ALS)[edit]

I've added the school to the Educational Institutions, it is a widely known private school and I am one of its graduates. Its website is http://www.als-eg.net . nÅnNü 18:31, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

  • Yes, ALS is a famous school in Alex. Thanks Nour! --Lanternix 19:20, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Roman annexation[edit]

Sorry - new to this so unfamiliar with editing. However noticed that the section Roman Annexation includes the following:

"Julius Caesar dallied with Cleopatra in Alexandria in 47 BC, saw Alexander's body (quipping 'I came to see a king, not a collection of corpses' when he was offered a view of the other royal burials) and was mobbed by the rabble."

This quote was not Caesar but Octavian - atributed by both Suetonius (Augustus 18) and Dio Cassius.

Would have to agree with many other comments on this page that this article is in need of a sponsor. I think it would also be sensible to split into two separates articles on ancient and modern Alexandria. Just my view... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomsants (talkcontribs) 21:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Enlarged gallery images[edit]

29-Oct-2007: In October, I enlarged gallery images in several articles, by using wikitables. Images become large enough to see trees or window areas, while expanding Internet data transfer only 60% (about 2 seconds longer @dial-up speed for 3 images):

 {| class=prettytable "width:380px;"
 |-
 |<!--Col1-->[[Image:Alexandria 2123021.jpg|299x120px]]
 |<!--Col2--> [[Image:Alexandria 2123028.jpg|299x120px]]
 |<!--Col3--><center>[[Image:Alexandr*2123097.jpg|299x120px]]</center>
 |-
 |<!--Col1-->Alexandria beach
 |<!--Col2-->[[Citadel of Qaitbay]]
 |<!--Col3-->[[Saad Zaghloul]] street in downtown Alexandria
 |}
 

The above 3-column wikitable formats as below:

Alexandria 2123021.jpg  Alexandria 2123028.jpg
Alexandria 2123097.jpg
Alexandria beach Citadel of Qaitbay Saad Zaghloul street in downtown Alexandria

Such wikitables stay within the right margin, on 800x600 screens. Column-comments ("-Col2-") help match the captions. I don't know why the "<gallery>" tag generates such tiny images (87px high), but at least the tiny images ("blur-boxes") always appear centered in their boxes, too tiny to upset the artistic balance of a page. With wikitables, some narrow images should be hand-centered (with leading non-breaks "  " or "<center>"), to avoid crowding left-side of image cells. Larger images can be shown as 2-column tables: remember that in larger images, even a 5% further enlargement might clarify details: turning a blurred wall into a stone-work pattern. Often 270px-width is enough to reveal many details, for 2 images side-by-side. Anyway, wikitables help avoid the "blur-boxes" of the "<gallery>" tag, with minimal overhead. -Wikid77 14:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Flag[edit]

The city flag is incorrect, I wasn't able to find a correct picture on the internet, please remove or help change, thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.205.229.220 (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

The flag was correct!! Please, can some one upload the flag again? Mcwaly (talk) 00:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

The flag was totally incorrect trust me, I am an Alexandrian Yosef1987 (talk) 13:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No Mention of Cleopatra?[edit]

I could argue that the single most famous, most important Alexandrian was the Queen of Egypt, Cleopatra VII Thea Philopater of the Ptolemaic Dynasty. This woman was one of the most famous and fascinating women of all time: plays were written about her - including ones by William Shakespeare and George Bernard Shaw; she was celebrated in numerous books, operas, masterpieces of painting and sculpture, poems, motion pictures, etc. Is not Cleopatra a world icon? Am I wrong in supposing that the Alexandrians have an affection for the legendary Queen as much as Amsterdamers have for Rembrandt Van Rijn or Philadelphians have for Benjamin Franklin? Alexandria is the backdrop of politics, ambition, romance and intrigue during the years of Julius Ceasar, Cleopatra, Mark Antony, and Octavius (later, Augustus)Ceasar. Is there a meaningful way this can be reflected or at least referenced in the article? Buddmar (talk) 03:27, 27 April 2008 (UTC)buddmar

Image of Alexander the Great[edit]

Does anyone agree with me that the image Drhmmh keeps adding of Alexander the Great to the top of the article does not even belong here? It's pretty obvious that the top left corner of an article is no place for an image, but is it even worth adding further down? --timsdad (talk) 06:47, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

It shouldn't be there, I agree, and I also do not think the image is useful anywhere in the article. I can't understand why it's been put there. Dougweller (talk) 11:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I just didn't want to continue reverting without getting another opinion first. That's good enough for me, I'll remove it. Thanks a bunch, timsdad (talk) 11:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I moved the file to the neighborhood section of the article since it is a landmark of the BabSharki neighborhood and marks the entrance to the old city --Drhmmh (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure it really belongs anywhere in the article, even in that section. I'm sorry, but it's not a very good image. Just because you took it... I really mean no disrespect. --timsdad (talk) 06:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Alexandria's government.[edit]

I am doing a school project on Alexandria and I am wondering since the entire city was based off of Hellenistic ways, was the government as well?

Poseidon/Athena Statue Info?[edit]

What is the name of the statue that supposedly features two gods making love in a predominately Moslem city? This seems...unlikely and with the absence of the name of the statue (or a picture showing it) it seems like it could be a hoax/vandalism. 76.15.238.242 (talk) 09:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering no information was provided, the information has been erased. The picture is kept but the description of sex is taken out, as there is no proof of any such sex shown in the statue. A highly clever vandalism if so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.15.238.242 (talk) 09:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Pompey's pillar[edit]

Under the section "Ancient remains", second paragraph, the first sentence is written as: "Pompey's Pillar" is the best-known ancient monument still standing today.

Is this statement correct? Could somebody please clarify or give a reference? Wikislemur (talk) 13:24, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It is the best known by me although I don't think I would have put it that way. Perhaps saying it is one of the best known monuments would be better. Zacherystaylor (talk) 18:10, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the edit. Wikislemur (talk) 11:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

The weather in Alexandria is Mediterranean climate not desert climate!![edit]

i dont beleive in Koppen climate classification its completely nonsense. I think that arid Mediterranean climate as an intro. works the best. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.234.151.187 (talk) 23:08, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

I second the above opinion. --Ⲗⲁⲛⲧⲉⲣⲛⲓⲝ[talk] 23:20, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Where is your reference stating that Alexandria has a Mediterranean climate?? I don't think you'll find one, and your "opinion" is just WP:POV or at best WP:OR. Koeppen, and all other climatoligists, show Alexandria as having an arid climate. With less than 200mm of annual precipitation and negative ETP it is clearly not a Mediterranean climate (Csa) zone, in spite of its location in the Mediterranean basin. Although a slight bump in winter precipitation shows a Med pattern, it is not enough. I have two references and could easily provide 10 more. Please discuss before reverting. Koppenlady (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Correction Needed In List of Orthodox Churches and General Orthodox Information[edit]

The most important Greek Orthodox churches in Alexandria are Saint Anargyri Church, Church of the Annunciation, Saint Anthony Church, Archangels Gabriel & Michael Church, Saint Catherine Church, Cathedral of the Dormition in Mansheya, Church of the Dormition, Prophet Elijah Church, Saint Georges Church, Church of the Immaculate Conception in Ibrahemeya, Saint Joseph Church in Fleming, Saint Joseph of Arimathea Church, Saint Mark & Saint Nectarios Chapel in Ramleh, Saint Nicholas Church, Saint Paraskevi Church, Saint Sava Cathedral in Ramleh, and Saint Theodore Chapel. In communion with the Greek Orthodox Church is the Russian Orthodox church of Saint Alexander Nevsky in Alexandria, which serves the Russian speaking community in the city.

"Church of the Immaculate Conception in Ibrahemeya" cannot possibly be Orthodox - either the name is incorrect or this is not an Orthodox Church

In general, better information about the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate and Dioceses are also needed. Information could be used from the Orthowiki site:

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--Strannikcom (talk) 06:51, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Abou El Fadl family has Spanish roots. La Familia Abou El Fadl[edit]

Abou El Fadl family has Spanish roots; Our far grandfathers came from Granada in Spain. They were Muslims of Spain “Andalusia”. In other words the family roots go back to Celts and Visigoths who became a very strong real Muslims and built a great civilization in Spain in the golden era. When it became hard for Muslims to stay in Spain in the seventeenth century they had to escape form their homeland to other lands. They reached the North West coast of Egypt. Part of them went to Safitt Al Huriah in Al Bihairah in Egypt and established Abouel Fadl family and the rest of them continued their trip till Damascus and Anatolia. That is why a lot of Abouel Fadl sons still have Aryan “Caucasian “physical characteristics such as a light skin and nice complexion. Also they still have good morals such as honesty and faithfulness. You can find Aboul Fadl family now in Al Bihairah, Alexandria and Al Saiyeda Zainab Cairo Egypt.


La Familia Abou El Fadl Mi familia tiene raizes en España. Nuestros antepasados vinieron de Granada en España. Ellos eran musulmanes de España ( Al Andalus ). En otras palabras las raices familiares se datan a los tiempos de los Celtas y los Visigodos, que se convirtieron en verdaderos Musulmanes y construyeron una gran civilizacion en España, la Época Dorada. Cuando se volvió difícil para los Musulmanes permanecer en España ( Al Andalus ) en el S. XVII tuvieron que escapar de su país a otras tierras. Llegaron a las costas del Noroeste de Egipto. Algunos llegaron a El Behireh y se establecieron como la familia AbouEl Fadl y el resto continuaron su viaje hasta Damasco y Anatolia. Esta es la razóñ por la que muchos descendientes de la familia Abou El Fadl tienen rasgos ários ( caucasianos ). Están además bien complexionados y todavia tienen buenas morales como la honestidad, fidelidad y lealtad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.232.127.79 (talk) 17:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Weather box[edit]

I removed the weather box as it kept being vandalized. I believe it is better not to have data (I kept the references for those who are interested) than to have wrong data. Calimo (talk) 13:08, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I see someone restored the box again… with wrong numbers. I really don't see the point of having a table with erroneous information. I restored the correct numbers but I'll be removing the box if it still gets vandalized. Calimo (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Wrong Link[edit]

In the main article Alexandria, section History, fourth paragraph, there is mention of Cleopatra VII and a link. Pushing the link takes one to the wrong place: Cleopatra Selene II instead of to the correct place: Cleopatra VII. Could someone please change this link? I don't know how to do it. Joachim M. (talk) 19:58, 24 September 2011 (UTC)Joachim M.

Yes check.svg Done I've fixed the link to go to Cleopatra VII now. -- Marek.69 talk 20:02, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

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The Expulsion of the Greeks by Nasser[edit]

I think that someone should have mentioned that the Greeks were the majority in Alexandria until Nasser threw them out in the '50s. Someone should mention that.Ericl (talk) 18:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Alexandria local government[edit]

Is Alexandria only a governorate, or is there municipal government apart from the governorate? I guess what I'm asking is if the urban settlement of Alexandria has an associated local government, or if it's essentially governed by the provincial government? --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Eratóstenes[edit]

Incluir informação sobre ERATÓSTENES. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.53.185.20 (talk) 00:45, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

The Koine Greek Name of Alexandria[edit]

The use of κατά in this translation is as "in" does not utterly denote this word's nuance: κατά (as highlighted in Liddell and Scott) more so indicates a "downwards" motion, as if Alexandria had been stamped upon Egypt as a colony rather than built within the bounds of Egypt. Alexandria was (at least in the Classical Greek and subsequent Hellenised periods) considered to be 'other' to the rest of Egypt, mostly because the Alexandrians considered themselves to be Greeks rather than Egyptians; the dissimilarity of Naukratis to the rest of Egypt is an earlier parallel and precedent of a Greek colony within Egypt as well as other Greek poleis scattered around the Mediterranean, e.g. Sybaris in Magna Graecia. A more rounded translation would be "Alexandria upon Egypt"; though the Greeks had the word ἐπί to denote such an meaning the use of κατά is a less passive term in this context and thus shows the 'otherness' of the Alexandrians to the Egyptians.

81.106.63.219 20:31, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Dubious[edit]

How is it possible that the table states that the city of Alexandria has a number of population more than or equal to the whole province of Alexandria?

The same for the city's size, is claimed to be bigger than that of the whole province! --Mahmudmasri (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2014 (UTC)