Talk:Algo Centre Mall

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Good article Algo Centre Mall has been listed as one of the Art and architecture good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
June 29, 2012 Good article nominee Listed
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Government services section?[edit]

Between Service Canada, constituency offices, campaign offices, the library, health departments, perhaps should they be split into a subsection of "Stores and services"? They're a different type of thing entirely, from the traditional mall definition of services—doctors, accountants, and shoe repairers. -- Zanimum (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Disregard, based on the fact the mall seems like it'll be rubble now, via the more advanced extraction techniques. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:49, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

ITN nomination[edit]

Wikipedia:In_the_news/Candidates#Algo_Centre_Mall_collapse

I've just nominated this article under ITN. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:48, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination[edit]

What hook would everyone suggest for a DYK nomination? I'm planning to review something tonight, so that I can post this article tomorrow, still within the 5 days after article creation limit. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:50, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I was unsure if the article would qualify due to it being news and such, but we will be OK:
1. e) Articles that have been featured on the main page's In the news section are ineligible. If an article is linked to at ITN but not the featured ITN article, it is still eligible for DYK.
I'll try to think of a hook. Acebulf (talk) 01:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for digging that point up. Worst case scenario, if ITN doesn't post the article, we have something to fall back on. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Even if it's posted at ITN, but not frontpaged, we can still go ahead with the DYK. Acebulf (talk) 01:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to barge in (I do appreciate both of your work), but how would it be posted at ITN but not frontpaged? Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 02:26, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I believe Acebulf means it can be included in the current events portal, which it is, but not be in ITN, but still qualify for DYK. Note that I've not had time yet to go through the DYK process. -- Zanimum (talk) 13:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Layout[edit]

I'm going to work on an improved layout at Algo Centre Mall/layout, which can then be merged into the article. The subdomain is to avoid edit conflicts, and will be deleted once I am done reorganizing stuff. Acebulf (talk) 01:38, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

PS. Feel free to comment on improvements and what not. Acebulf (talk) 01:39, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Logging off for the night pretty soon, so unless Bearcat or someone else disagrees, I'll trust your judgement. -- Zanimum (talk) 01:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Considering that the mall is highly unlikely to operate in after this (perhaps maybe as a power centre or something, after) and thus this article is no longer really a mall article with a significant section about structural failures, I agree this solely chronological format is appropriate. Nice work digging through the news reports, and finding the Algocen/OMB info, the sale price to Eastwood, and the community context or closing uranium mines. -- Zanimum (talk) 13:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. Acebulf (talk) 15:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Facebook groups: the source of those images outlets are showing[edit]

There are two groups on Facebook about the roof collapse, one is Elliot Lake's Roof Support Group, the other is Elliot Lake truth.

Should we post on the group walls, or contact the posters directly. There are additional posts on the walls to photos, that weren't posted to the wall itself. For example this one and this individual photo. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

If you do post on either wall with "open calls", or contact someone directly, post their names her, so we don't contact anyone twice. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
I've contacted Craig Holmes about this image, and Max Neher about this image. -- Zanimum (talk) 14:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Algo Centre Mall/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Thine Antique Pen (talk · contribs) 11:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

I shall review. TAP 11:05, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Lead
  • "12m x 24m (39'-by-79') segment of the rooftop parking garage collapsed into the building" — I see no signs of this in the article, please include.
    • Oops. Fixed. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
  • Needs small expansion to summarise the article.
    • Expanded, post-promotion. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
History
  • Merge paragraph 2, 3 and 4 into a single one, as they are short and linked slightly.
    • I've merged 1-2-3 instead, as the first three are about the mall itself, and things happening positively. The fourth has the theme of the community itself having troubles, resulting in the mall's decline. Is this merger also okay?
  • 2000s
  • Merge 1st and 2nd paragraphs into one.
  • Done. Agreed, the purchase and redevelopment plans are related enough to merge into one paragraph.
  • Last paragraph/bit is short, merge with another paragraph
  • I've made it a bullet point in the tenant list. The assertion that this is the main terminal is made in the transit authority's article itself, and I copied it over. While I'm sure it is the main terminal, there's no real reference confirming that, beyond unspecific transit maps.
Structural problems
  • "By 1990, the mall was starting to be plagued with leaks and water damage.[21]
In 1996, a report commissioned by the Town, Downtown Core and Industrial Area Improvements, presented a less-than-favourable assessment of the structure's exterior" — join both bits together.
2012 roof collapse
  • Grand.

I shall put this Good article on hold On Hold until the issues can be addressed. TAP 11:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance for lead, layout, words to watch, fiction, and lists:
  2. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    C. No original research:
  3. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
  4. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  6. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  7. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
Wholey moley! I wasn't expecting it to be GA'd so quickly, I still have some updates to make tonight on it, to expand the lead as you suggested, for example. Wow, thank you for your vote of confidence in the work we've all done on the article. -- Zanimum (talk) 17:52, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
I think currently it just scrapes GA quality. TAP 17:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
For now, that's good enough for me. We'll certainly continue to polish the article, as time goes on. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Interesting side note[edit]

"Grateful the businesses in the mall are thinking of their employees. Zellers has given us three weeks pay and Foodland has given their employees 6 months. Takes some stress off of everyone." Interesting. I hope some media outlet reports this. -- Zanimum (talk) 00:49, 29 June 2012 (UTC)