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Good article Algonquin Round Table has been listed as one of the Language and literature good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
September 8, 2007 Good article nominee Listed

Wikiproject proposal[edit]

Greetings all. I have proposed the formation of Wikiproject:Algonquin Round Table for purposes of improving this article and other articles related to it, including Algonquin Hotel and of course the articles for the members and their assorted literary works. If you're interested in participating, please go here and add your name. Thanks! Otto4711 19:51, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Corey Ford[edit]

I've found some evidence at http://ead.dartmouth.edu/html/ml30.html that Ford was a part of the round table. Seems as though his book "The Time of Laughter" may have been about the round table, though I haven't read it yet.

Disclaimer - Ford is a shoestring relative of mine, a cousin of my Granddad's, who didn't like him at all. Love my Granddad, but I've been coming across Ford memorabilia lately (just found a weatherbeaten Rollo Boys volume at a local antique shop and paid way too much money for it).

Anyhow, won't update either the Ford or the algonquin articles without further evidence of a connection, but wanted to mention the possiblity in case anyone's watching this page.

Jay.ricketts 18:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


Lots of members[edit]

there seem to be lots of members lister - how big was this table? I take it not all of them were present on a daily basis? Only that seems to be what the article implies. Why did they all stop meeting around 1929? When did the various members come and go? I don't know if this information is out there but I think if belongs in this article. A more in-depth anaylisis is needed rather than just a big list of names.--Crestville 23:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

The group was around 24 people. It met for eight or nine years. I'm sure that this article will get deeper as members add more material. The table itself was about six feet across; a replica is in the Algonquin Hotel today. --K72ndst 03:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but it's been going a while and not evolved much. The list just keeps getting longer. Got any more info? I'm particularly intersted in Harpo Marx. I would have thought Groucho would have been the one, y'know?--Crestville 13:41, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Ring Lardner[edit]

Today I took off sports columnist and short story writer Ring Lardner. Although he was friendly with members of the group, such as Dorothy Parker and George S. Kaufman, he was not attending the daily luncheon. Lardner lived in Nassau County, Long Island, a little far to come in for lunch... --K72ndst 03:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps he commuted. Nassau County isn't at all far by train, and you can get a lot of work done on the train. Thousands, if not millions, of commuters from Suffolk County traverse Nassau entirely on the daily trips to and from Manhattan. Being there in person was certainly more beneficial then than now. "Long distance" calls were very expensive. Besides, the group met daily; not all its members were there every day. Why would he even live in Nassau County, a bedroom community, if he didn't need to get to New York frequently? Furthermore, regardless of being "friendly" with anyone, he would have contributed substantially to the group's cachet, certainly a valuable consideration! To think of excluding him for not showing up often enough, or for not being talented or famous enough, is nuts. They were all busy people. No doubt many of them couldn't show up every day, and I'm sure any big celebrity, as Lardner was, would be welcome to join the fun and be counted in. They weren't all highbrows, nor stand-offish. I'm just speculating, of course, but evidence of his presence must surely be attested in many old newspaper columns, especially his own, and ought to be easy for somebody to find. Unfree (talk) 22:13, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Who commutes for lunch? Ring Lardner was not a member. If you read the two books about the Round Table, Margaret Case Harriman's "The Vicious Circle" or Jim Gaines' "The Algonquin Round Table" you will see that he is not listed as a member. Lardner from 1919-1933 was living in Great Neck and writing newspaper columns from home; Great Neck is 20 miles away. He was not a Manhattan resident. He was their friend, just as Herbert Bayard Swope was; but he was not a member. -- K72ndst (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Calvin Cooladge[edit]

Or whatever thyat president's name was, anyway the story goes Parker made some wittisism upon his death, but this article maintains they stopped meeting in 1929 where as Collidge died in 1933. Some mistake here surely?--Crestville 17:52, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The name was Coolidge, and you're not thinking clearly. (If you thought it was Cooladge, why did you spell it Collidge?) Do you think all these people died or lost their wits when the group drifted apart? Unfree (talk) 22:19, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Members[edit]

Surely Edmund Wilson was a member of this set?

I never heard of him in connection with them, and I am a big fan of Wilson's. If he was, the wikipedia article on wilson doesn't mention it. Got a reference? --ubiquity 22:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
Wilson was not. He was friendly with some of the members. This is detailed in The Twenties, which was released after his death. In addition, O'Neill wasn't a member either. K72ndst 01:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Oscar Levant was not a member, unless the group admitted 12 year olds to their table in 1919... --K72ndst 17:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Good article nomination[edit]

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this article and it is close to meeting the GA criteria. However, the lead section needs to be expanded substantially to better summarise the article. Please see WP:LEAD.

I'm putting this article on hold as the it is close to GA status, however the issue noted above must be dealt with before GA status can be awarded. I hope that this can be addressed within the seven days allowed by on hold, and wish you all the best with your editing... -- Johnfos 12:09, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

New lead looks good... GA awarded... Johnfos 03:07, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Salon?[edit]

According to the Wikipedia definition, a salon is a group of people who meet under the roof of an inspiring host. There was no such host at the Algonguin Round Table. Frank Case facilitated, but he did not inspire, and was not even part of the proceedings. I'd like to revert the word "salon" in the opening of this article to "group", but I thought I would get some opinions first. --ubiquity 22:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

  • I agree with the reversion. The ART was not a salon in the context of the hotel. As noted elsewhere in the article, Neysa McMein's studio served as something of a salon for them with McMaein serving as the host. Otto4711 22:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Horticulture[edit]

I call into question the following bit:

"Dorothy Parker's memorable sentence using the word horticulture: 'You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think.'"

That's not using "horticulture"; "You can lead a horticulture but you can't make her think" is using "horticulture", and since (I presume) it was an oral witticism, only Parker would know what she meant, and (I presume) she was witty enough to say it right! The book /Harpo Speaks/, no doubt, got it right.

Incidentally, I'm planning to edit the preceding words, so they won't match my quote precisely. Unfree (talk) 21:46, 8 December 2008 (UTC)


Dorothy Parker[edit]

Parker is noted in the article to critisize the group, calling them wisecracks and far from literary giants...but at the beginning of the article, she is noted as being a member? The two seems not to go together, particularly as the later part omits her membership... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.53.172 (talk) 11:58, 17 May 2014 (UTC)