Talk:Alkaline diet

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Poor article quality[edit]

A huge portion of this article is improperly sourced and vague with one-sided claims and ad-hominem attacks made against credentialed professionals & their theories. Many of the statements preference the analysis of some experts arbitrarily over other experts of comparable credentials. The article is not even close to neutral.

I mirror Drgao's sentiments above. Wikipedia is not a place for people who think they have the right answer to systematically suppress principled alternative theories. Anyone who values the scientific method should be ashamed of the way this and many other articles distorts the validity of some research in preference of other research which supports a particular model.

I cannot help but suspect that some of the editors have an agenda, since these sorts of errors are difficult to make with the incredible frequency with which they appear here. Boleroinferno (talk) 03:57, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT.
Take care, however, not to remove material that is accurately sourced while claiming it isn't, as you did in this edit. The statement is conspicuously present in the source, 4th paragraph down in the Background section. ~Amatulić (talk) 09:58, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

The other interpretation[edit]

This article seems to only talk about the health food interpretation of alkaline diet, as in alkaline forming diet. What about true alkaline diets, where low pH foods are eschewed, no matter how alkaline "forming" alternative medicine say they are? 68.9.90.216 (talk) 01:11, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources to share about such diets, preferably scientific or medical studies? ~Amatulić (talk) 19:24, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

History[edit]

If this diet is still in use the history section should go at the end. The historical medical aspects should be moved to the history section IMO. Could use one image anyway. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 15:54, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Alkaline diet/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Adam Cuerden (talk · contribs) 15:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC) I worried a bit when I saw this on the Good article nominees, as there is, as I'm sure you know, a lot of quackery surrounding alkaline diets out there. You have, however, mostly struck a good balance. I think that a few more tweaks could be useful before promotion, but it's generally there.

First of all, the lead could probably stand to make a distinction between the more extreme quackery versions (claimed to affect the blood) and what diet could change. I'd also imagine there are a few, rare cases where changing the pH of urine could have some advantage - wasn't there a kidney stone remedy related to that? It was in one of Stephen Jay Gould's books - that might be worth briefly mentioning as well. With this kind of article, defining terms helps a lot.

I'd suggest the sentence "Due to the lack of human studies supporting any benefits of this diet, it is generally not recommended by dieticians and other health professionals." should come earlier. It serves a useful framing role.

On the whole, this is pretty good. I think it's well on the way to GA, just that difficult articles such as this are hard to get perfectly right. Think I'll ask WP:FTN to have a quick look as well, since getting these sorts of things right is that board's expertise, so they'd be useful to have on hand. Adam Cuerden (talk) 15:13, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look at the nomination. The use in changing urine pH/kidney stones is discussed in the History section at the bottom of the page (placed there per WP:MEDMOS). It isn't really used for that purpose much anymore as medications do a much better job than diet does, so it's largely a historical relic for that use. My time on Wikipedia is extremely limited for the next week or so, so I might not be quick to respond here. Please bear with me, I will get back to the suggestions as soon as possible. Yobol (talk) 04:30, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good! A little tweaking of the lead, and I think this one's a pass. Adam Cuerden (talk) 04:53, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, moved the sentence higher (2nd paragraph) as suggested. Thanks for bearing with me. Yobol (talk) 15:46, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
It's amazing how much that change makes to how the article reads. Promoted. Adam Cuerden (talk) 16:09, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

No evidence at all - state it clearly in the lead[edit]

In line with the Med guidelines, I would make it much clearer up front in the lead that there is no evidence at all to support the theory of the alkaline diet - as it states in the Evidence Base section. At the moment the lead just says that doctors do not recommend it. 86.162.6.246 (talk) 06:11, 16 May 2015 (UTC)