Talk:Aloha shirt

Alfred Shaheen

Should there be a reference to Alfred Shaheen on this page? http://www.latimes.com/news/obituaries/la-me-shaheen4-2009jan04,0,4929113.story Centerone (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Viriditas (talk) 23:20, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to just go ahead and add the link until we can get the content in. Viriditas (talk) 23:25, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Issues

• Title may be too narrow. Broader terms, such as "Aloha attire" are more inclusive of fashion for both sexes
• Lead section is out of proportion to the rest of the article.
• Unsourced claims are still in the article
• Photos are of poor quality and do not best represent the subject
• Expansion in progress

Viriditas (talk) 23:21, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Smithsonian

Apparently, Tom Selleck donated his aloha shirt that he wore on Magnum, P.I. to the Smithsonian Institution.[1] There's more about exhibits featuring aloha shirts at the Smithsonian here. Viriditas (talk) 09:56, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, and the recent version of the show also has Magnum and his friends wearing aloha shirts, with considerable more variety than the original. In one early episode, Magnum was given a shirt with the same pattern as the original one, but I don't think he ever wore it on the show. This would probably fit well in a Popular Culture section, but isn't enough by itself, so I'm parking it here for future reference. JDZeff (talk) 19:20, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Rayon

What is the percentage of Aloha shirts produced between the 1930s and the 1950s that are made of rayon? Keraunos (talk) 03:08, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I'll look. I believe I have that info at hand. Viriditas (talk) 03:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

What percentage of Aloha shirts are made of rayon today?Keraunos (talk) 03:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Not sure, but it's mostly the very, very low end, with the more expensive shirts composed of 100% silk or cotton. ("Rayon has often been used in low-end, poorly constructed garments that have tarnished its reputation."[2]) This isn't always true, as one can find nice shirts made of rayon, but upscale consumers demand cotton or silk, for the most part. You're talking about completely different types of shirts for different types of consumers. I see that the rayon article says, "The highest quality Hawaiian shirts produced between the 1930s and the 1950s that are most sought after by collectors are all made of rayon", but my understanding is that this has nothing to do with the material, but everything to do with the design. Viriditas (talk) 03:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

This article states: "'Aloha Friday' is generally used to refer to the last day of the work week." So basically, Friday is the last day of the work week. Thanks for that clarification. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.164.201 (talk) 03:49, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Sarcasm noted. I agree that this article needs cleanup, so I'll take your criticism with that in mind, and make an effort in the next week. Viriditas (talk) 03:56, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Vegas

In Vegas, detectives for Metro wear Aloha shirts as "formal" wear. It's pretty common in Vegas, but I won't add to article for 2 reasons: 1. No sources. 2. Yes, Hawaiians have moved to Vegas over the last two decades, but aren't the reason why Aloha shirts are worn in Vegas, so that's the route to go for finding sources. Apple8800 (talk) 22:20, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious if the shirts are from Hilo Hattie, which has or used to have stores on the strip or in a hotel. They are known for making aloha shirts that can be used as uniforms.[3][4] Viriditas (talk) 00:47, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Requested move, revisited

The previous discussion was closed on grounds that the name aloha shirt is more “authentic.” However Wikipedia policy says nothing about snobbish notions of cultural authenticity and being in-the-know, and instead is based on how most English speakers would readily identify it. If you disagree with that policy you’re welcome to try and change it, but until then, the article should live at the name most used throughout the English-speaking world. That name, I believe, is “Hawaiian shirt.” —Wiki Wikardo 21:53, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Your belief may be right, but do you have any statistics to support your claim that “Hawaiian shirt” is “most used throughout the English-speaking world”? ~ Röbin Liönheart (talk) 16:16, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes. —Wiki Wikardo 06:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

The most authoritative WP:RS references (Prof. Furer., Assoc. Prof. Arthur at U. of Hawaii, DeSoto at Bishop Museum) uses primarily "Aloha shirt". So it would simply be awkward to avoid the term used by the best sources.

While such books as Hawaiian Shirt Designs by Nancy Schiffer,[5] or The Hawaiian Shirt: Its Art and History by H. Thomas Steele[6] exist, these aren't written by authors of comparable credentials.

The problem is Wiki Wikardo's statics is indiscriminate raw data, with no weight assigned to the reliability of each book counted. --Kiyoweap (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Contradictory History

In the history section it states that both Miyamoto Kōichirō and Ellery Chun made the first Aloha shirt. Which one is correct? Also, that section could use some proofreading. Tweisbach (talk) 06:09, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Not only is the Japanese origin the commonly acknowledged and the one with the genuine cultural connection to Hawaii, the Chinese claim is improperly sourced to the degree of being an obvious lie. It's propaganda, and therefore duly removed. Rainbowkouji (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

I think these are the two major claims, and you can't really establish the truth.

"(Dale) Hope believes that the actual creator of the aloha shirt will probably never be known" according to the newspaper add I've now included.

Prof. Furer certainly credits Miyamoto's Musa-Shiya the Shirtmaker brand. However, the Japanese museum webpage used in the article does not say this.--Kiyoweap (talk) 21:39, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of DOMA in an article about shirts?

Okay, I was reading up on Hilo Hatties and found this article. Interesting history of the Aloha shirt style. Then I ran into this:

The aloha shirt has at times [when?] been associated with the gay community,[by whom?] as made clear [?] in the season 8 episode of The Simpsons Homer's Phobia.[5][6][these articles do not even support the claim, they just reference what Homer said.] The association may stem [opinion?] from the tendency of Magnum, P.I. main character Thomas Magnum, portrayed by Tom Selleck, to regularly wear aloha shirts on the show, as it was set on the island of Oahu, Hawaii.[6] Selleck was rumored to be gay, though he has since denied those rumors.[6][7] Any association with the court case Baehr v. Miike, a lawsuit in which three same-sex couples argued that Hawaii's prohibition of same-sex marriage violated the state constitution which later provided an impetus for the enactment of the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in 1996,[8] is likely secondary at best, as the case wasn't initiated until 1991, roughly three years after the end of the television show's broadcast. [secondary at best? Wow. Just wow.]

This whole thread is rather Stream of Consciousness ... Okay, so maybe the original point of an association with the gay community is valid [reference needed] however a reference to the Simpsons is hardly a valid source, and more than using the Simpsons in an article about pork chops or donuts. And in any case, how is this germane to an article about shirts?

I am going to remove the entire section in a week, unless someone can propose a valid reason why Selleck's orientation or Baehr v. Miike or DOMA adds any value to this article about shirts.

Bobsd (talk) 15:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Zmflavius reverted my edit without any discussion here on the talk page. I removed the text again (on 8/27/14). If anyone else has an option on this matter, or wants to discuss it (including Zmflavius) here is the place to do so. Bobsd (talk) 06:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I'd like to apologize for my edit on Aloha Shirt, which appears to have been made in error. My actual intention was to revert a much earlier deletion, by user:Rainbowkouji which appeared to have been entirely spurious in nature, and was not related at all to your particular edit. Rainbowkouji's deletion was not paired with any justification save that the mention of a Chinese inventor constituted "anti-Japanese bias" and that there was no source, something which I was able to rectify in 5 seconds of googling.Zmflavius (talk) 17:35, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for that explanation! Bobsd (talk) 18:31, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

So what's the difference with a standard short-sleeved shirt?

The article does a bad job of explaining this. It says that it has a collar, short-sleeves, buttons, sometimes a breast pocket… All this could be replaced with "it's a short-sleeved shirt". But how is it different? That's what should be on the first sentence of the article. Ratfox (talk) 10:26, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Fabric

What are typical fabrics used for Aloha shirts? I seem to recall reading somewhere that they became popular with the availability of rayon/viscose, which takes detailed designs in bright dyes well. Any truth to this? --Macrakis (talk) 15:15, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

History Makes no Sense

The history says the original aloha shirts were made by a Japanese man with Japanese fabric. If true (which it's generally acknowledged as true) then this part "Traditional men's aloha shirts manufactured for local Hawaiian residents are usually adorned with traditional Hawaiian quilt designs, tapa designs, and simple floral patterns in more muted colors" makes absolutely no sense.

"Traditional" would = "Japanese prints" not Hawaiian quilts or tapas. Those are modern designs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greggman (talk • contribs) 01:00, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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LOTS of citations

Hi! Thanks for your addition to Aloha shirt. I was wondering whether you intend to expand that section of the article. If so, great! If not, I'll probably trim the citation count a bit (WP:OVERCITE). Jlevi (talk) 21:23, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

hi @Jlevi: I'm not sure what to do with it, whether writing more about an extremist group's use of the shirt would be too much focus on a small detail. What do you think? John Cummings (talk) 22:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, from the sources I can access, I think the current two sentences is probably enough. Most that I can see mention Aloha shirts only for a sentence or two, and several (like the NPR and NBC articles) don't seem to mention it at all). Given this, I might suggest paring the list down 1) certainly only articles that mention Aloha shirts explicitly, and 2) maybe only a handful.

On the other hand, the two articles that seem like they probably have more to offer (by The Economist and by The Times) might have more content, in which case a longer section on the Aloha shirt article might be warranted. But I can't access these, so I can't evaluate this. Jlevi (talk) 23:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How are they printed? What method is used to get the designs on the fabric?

How are they printed? What method is used to get the designs on the fabric? 162.200.56.157 (talk) 02:18, 18 May 2022 (UTC)