Talk:Alphabetical order

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Other punctuation[edit]

There is no paragraph on that subject at present.
I think the convention is to ignore apostrophes, for example.

'Twas the Night Before Christmas

This would alphabetize under T, by treating 'Twas as Twas.
Correct? Varlaam (talk) 16:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I think so (unless the collation is being done by some automated computer system that hasn't been programmed to take account of this). Victor Yus (talk) 06:50, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Good. I've been alphabetizing List of World War II films, amongst other changes there.
Two months, and counting. Big page.
Thanks, Varlaam (talk) 11:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

ascending and descending order[edit]

These can be confused, sometimes deliberately...Myles325a (talk) 11:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Missing: Middle English. Missing: Maltese[edit]

I find nothing - historic or modern - whither to collate Yogh.

The order of Maltese needs mentioning. They have G, Gh, double barred H, etc.

Nuremberg/Bavaria - Ángel.García2001 131.188.3.21 (talk) 21:10, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


Reasoning behind sortig of Umlauts in German is wrong[edit]

The sentence "For phone directories and similar lists of names, the umlauts are to be collated like the letter combinations "ae", "oe", "ue" because a number of German surnames appear both with umlaut and in the non-umlauted form with "e" (Müller/Mueller)." is factually wrong. The reasoning behind this way of ordering the letters is that each of those letter is only a typographical shortening of a common two-letter combination. Ä, ö, ü and ß do not exist in the alphabet. I.e. "ü" is the short version of "ue", "ß" is the short version of "ss". It follows logically that they should be sorted exactly were their constituent letters fit in at. Surnames have absolutely nothing to do with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 153.96.11.5 (talk) 11:23, 29 August 2014 (UTC)