Talk:Alpine skiing at the 2014 Winter Olympics – Men's super-G

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Terrible updating[edit]

Jesus Christ, get this page in order already or leave it to professional wiki editors to get the work done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.180.218.186 (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Why don't you do it yourself? Wikipedia is free for everyone to edit. And there are no professional editors here, only volunteers. You could be one too. HandsomeFella (talk) 13:59, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moved as proposed. There is support, and no clear opposition, for the proposal; sources indicate that "super-G" is not necessarily capitalized, and some instances of capitalization are merely examples of the individual author capitalizing everything. bd2412 T 21:19, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

– It appears to me that "super-G" is not a proper noun. The article on it – which I (to my knowledge) haven't edited – does not capitalize the "super" part, unless at the beginning of a sentence. I have no problem with the capital G, as it is an abbreviation (in fact I think it should be kept), so these pages should in my view be moved to the proposed targets. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:31, 4 March 2014 (UTC) --HandsomeFella (talk) 22:16, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Sources[edit]

I'm just adding the first I find with Google and that have at least some editorial text. I'm arranging them by case usage. My comment at this stage would be that if it's written in lower-case to a certain extent, it would indicate that it is not a proper noun, and upper-case usage can be attributed to various forms of title case. From these examples (only the first page of search results), it appears that lower-case would indeed be the correct usage.

HandsomeFella (talk) 22:05, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Lower-case[edit]

Upper-case[edit]

Undeterminable[edit]

Comments[edit]

  • Support, per nom. Parutakupiu (talk) 21:52, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment, The FIS has it capitalized in bios of athletes [1]. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 01:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
    Reply: poor example. In the link given, "Super G" is a stand-alone entry in a table. In many or even most such cases, words are initcapped. Also, if you look at the drop-down lists there, "Cross-Country", "Ski Jumping", "Nordic Combined", "Alpine Skiing" and "Freestyle Skiing" are capitalized. Further down you'll find "Speed Skiing", "Grass Skiing", "Anti-Doping" and "Press Releases". It does not mean that we have it that way here. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. Can we have actual evidence from reliable sources to determine the WP:COMMONNAME spelling, not based on how the super-G article is currently written? The current version is inconsistent: it does have "Super" capitalized in most instances of the lead, but not in the body? Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
    Reply: I didn't think it would be necessary, since it's no more a proper noun than slalom, giant slalom or downhill, but I'll see what I can do. I can see now that an IP recently added prose with several miscapitalizations on related words. Before that contribution, i.e. when I posted this RM, "super" had it 24–2 over "Super" in that version of the article (not counting beginnings of sentences). In the current version, it's 24–5. HandsomeFella (talk) 06:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
    I added a few more sources to the list above that use the upper-case "S", and a couple in which usage was undeterminable/mixed. As Wikipedia:Search engine test will tell you, it's also quality as well as quantity we should be looking at. When you have other news sources like the ones I added using the upper-case "S", I'm not convinced there is significant usage to one or the other. And it is hard to tell how many of these news publishers are merely copying-and-pasting re-publishing the same Associated Press, Reuters, or another news agency's articles -- which would inflate search engine results. Thus, it falls back to retaining the article's existing name. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
    Did you actually look for sources using "Super-G" capitalized, or did you perform a neutral search? I performed neutral searches, and ended up with the 14–5–1 numbers (lower/upper/mixed). You have added 0–5–2, which is why I ask if your search was neutral. HandsomeFella (talk) 08:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Support, per nom.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 11:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.