Talk:Amazonas (Brazilian state)

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Removed "Other cities include"[edit]

The section made little sense to the reader and points to a city in Portugal. I couldn't figure out what it was, so, I removed it from the text. If someone wishes to include it back, please add a small text explaining what this is about.

The original text is:

Other cities include:

-Poli 2005 July 7 15:18 (UTC)

(state, Brazil)? What?[edit]

Shouldn't this be Amazonas (Brazilian state), per precedent at places such as Georgia (U.S. state)? - Kookykman|(t)e 13:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

I would propose the simpler Amazonas (Brazil), but your suggestion is also preferable to the status quo. Apparently this very odd form for Wikipedia was created by a move here from exactly your proposal, Amazonas (Brazilian state). No clear explanation was given by the user. I can only guess that they weren't familiar with Wikipedia standard form for disambiguating titles. - PhilipR 04:53, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
I was bold and I fixed it. It's obviously wrong. Grandmasterka 09:23, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

eu ouvi falar de umss cientista que fizeram umas pas como para gerar energia nas correntes do fundo do mar e logo pensei ai no amazonas cheio de rios que pudessemos fazer igual e gerar enerbia sem modificar o meio ambientes pois essas pas ficam no fundo dos rios e como uma nadadeira de peixe como esse movimento nas correntes geram energia suficiente para todo os locais de dificiel acesso e sem dano algum a natureza —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.81.249.161 (talk) 11:12, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

English language translation[edit]

Like so many article on Brazil, I'm unable to make much sense of this, even after some significant copyediting. I can't change the text substantially, because I know nothing about the history of Amazonas. This article needs a rewrite to stay in the encyclopedia.Sbalfour (talk) 03:41, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

History section - female Amazon warriors?[edit]

This statement, which is supposed to be supported by a document on a website, is very dubious. That document appears to be an essay written by a college student, and in turn cites no sources. The text in the encyclopedia is not directly quoted in the source, either. It's garbage scholarship, and I've deleted it. The whole text of Orellana's trip is available in 'The Discovery of the Amazon', which I do not currently own. Editors who wish to pursue this matter should start there. Sbalfour (talk) 00:33, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

I got this from elsewhere, also not properly sourced: Amazonas: feminine plural noun. The term comes from "Amazon", which originates from the Latin "amazon - onis", derived from the Greek "amazon" designating brave valiant woman, woman riding horse. The denomination is named after the Amazon River and the State of Brazil. The river was so named because, in Carbajal's second narrative, included in the work of Oviedo, the Spanish captain Francisco de Orellana, when, in 1541, came down the river in all its extension, found near the mouth of the Rio Nhamundá a tribe of Indian warriors with which fought fight. Remembering the Amazons of the Thermodon, Orellana put the great river their name. The historian Lokotsch, without specifying which linguistic branch, believes that the name comes from an Indian language, amassunu, which means noise of waters which resound. Sbalfour (talk) 01:05, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

History section, subsection Portuguese usurpation[edit]

The previous editor(s), or the authors of the document where text was copy-pasted and translated from, have hopelessly confused the 7 Portuguese trading posts established on rivers from Belem to Mato Grosso, with the 7 Jesuit missions in the south, in what is now Uruguay. The Treaty of Madrid dealt with the southern border, not the northern/western borders. Nor was the principle of uti possidetis asserted there; it was asserted in the Treaty of El Pardo, 1778. The 7 Portuguese trading posts established in Grao-Para by João Pereira Caldas per instruction of the King in 1772, weren't for political reasons, they were for economic reasons, and had little to do with the settlement of the border. The border disputes in the north were defined by the Spanish-Portuguese wars 1761–1763, 1776–1777 of which no mention is made in the article. Whose Amazonas history is this, an 8th-grader's?Sbalfour (talk) 21:14, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Not just the above, but nearly everything in this subsection is about events and places in the early expansion of Maranhao and the captaincy of Para. Someone has displaced the history of Maranhao (or maybe Para) here, especially since the History section of article on Para is nearly empty. I'm gutting most of the section as I fill in the actual history of the region (yes, events in Maranhao were relevant, but only tangentially so, and we should refer the reader to other article(s) where it they be found, not recite it here).Sbalfour (talk) 18:35, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

History section -> new article[edit]

Not only does the History section need a rewrite, but it's looking detailed enough to be in an article of its own. We have a separate article for at least the History of Pernambuco; it might be justified here as well. There might be pieces of it already in the various Amazon and Amazonia related articles.Sbalfour (talk) 21:29, 28 January 2014 (UTC)