Talk:America's Cup

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Bond characterization[edit]

Dishonest? Was Bond's dishonesty related to the Cup racing - no, hence I don't think it is relavant here. It would be like adding the adjective "Libertine" in front of Bill Clinton's name in an article about his administration's foreign policy. The place to mention Bond's dishonesty would be an article on Bond.

Yes, it was related. America's Cup racing has been described as "standing in a cold shower tearing up $100 notes". Bond spent a substantial amount - many million - to win the cup, and the money was dishonestly aquired. Not opinion: he wound up in jail for several years, and would still be there had his lawyers not got him out on a technicality. See [1] Tannin 22:11 17 February 2003 (UTC)

In the modern day spirit of the cup, i dont think it matters where the money came from. Late 80s / early 90s challenger Michael Fay made his fortune ripping off the New Zealand taxpayer by buying state assets for a pittance and asset-stripping them. Equally immoral in my opinion. The business activities of many challengers and defenders which are legal in one nation could be construd as illegal in another.

How dishonest / immoral the source of the money to fund challengers is decided by the nations from which they come. Since there is no internationally recognised quorum of what is and isnt legal, i believe the source of funding is irrelevant.

I will leave it up to you to decide.

Aerodrome (talk)

New Zealanders[edit]

"Alinghi alone had 4 New Zealanders as crew"

I thought it was 6, Coutts inclusive.
There were 8 in total on the team, not sure about the actual crew. Dramatic 01:44 13 March 2003 (UTC)

Race numbers[edit]

The 2013 is called the 34th America's Cup, but it is the 35th entry in this article's list of races. That discrepancy needs to be explained. Also, I propose adding a column to the table, two digits wide, under the heading #, with each entry being the number of the race and a link to the Wikipedia article about that race, if there is one. As it is, there is unnecessary difficulty in jumping back and forth between the articles about various races. The space for this column could be taken from the Venue (1 space) and Defending Club (3 spaces) columns. HowardMorland (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

That's because, as explained in the lead, the trophy was only named "America's Cup", and put up for challenge, after the original victory by the yacht America. So the first "America's Cup" race was the first race after the original victory. There have been 34 of those to date. Also, as noted elsewhere, in Wikipedia we are naming the events by year, not by number, so we should not add numbers to the table. And I'm not sure when the organizers started using numbers, I seem to recall that in earlier decades numbers were not used (but I may be wrong on that).--Gautier lebon (talk) 07:23, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
Also the table already contains links to the articles, in the year column. Mattlore (talk) 09:24, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
So I guess including the original Isle of Wight race in the "Challengers and defenders" section is a bit of a misnomer since there was no defender – or maybe we could take the view the were all challengers in that race. But I think the first race does belong in the table. Perhaps renaming the section "Original race, challengers and defenders" and/or an explanatory note on the first table entry stating it was not part of the "America's Cup" series would make sense. Mojoworker (talk) 20:26, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
You could start an uproar by saying that it was the Zeroth race, I suppose, and putting "0's" in the appropriate places. Please don't. htom (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

35th America's Cup[edit]

I have added a redirect page for now for the 35th America's Cup. It redirects to the main AC Cup page. The press releases provide enough foundation to start to article but I thought we might wait for a release from the challenger before going forward.WPPilot 17:33, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Here it is the press release from the challenger: [[2]] I am going to start the 35th cup page perhaps today or tomorrow.WPPilot 18:16, 2 October 2013 (UTC)