Talk:American Idol

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Former good article American Idol was one of the good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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May 20, 2006 Peer review Reviewed
May 24, 2006 Good article nominee Listed
May 25, 2006 Good article reassessment Delisted
Current status: Delisted good article
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edit·history·watch·refresh Stock post message.svg To-do list for American Idol:
  • Thorough copyedit.
  • Delink unnecessary links.
  • Weed out unnecessary garbage so one can read entire article within the span of a day
  • Refrain from posting Season Finale results until after the completion of the show has been aired in all time zones e.g. West Coast. Or at least post a Spoiler Alert. (In coming to this page during Season 9's finale to find out which past winner was missing during their performance, West Coast viewers got a surprise to see the winner's name already posted.)
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Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2014[edit]

How many times do I have to tell you? American Idol (Season 13) will be the 1st time in 13 years to say the "Treasure Of Rainbow Beard's Motto" and sing the "I Wish" song, from the "Care Bears Big Wish Movie" in television history! So, could you please put the "Treasure Of Rainbow Beard's Motto" and the song, "I Wish," from the "Care Bears Big Wish Movie," please!

Infobox photo[edit]

Since this is a page that covers the full span of 13 years, it is not a good idea to have the logo of the 13th season as a main logo. We should use a more generic logo common to or more similar to the general logo used throughout the years of the show, and use the present "XIII" logo as an "alternative" further down the article. In fact, it's better not to use the present logo on the main page at all but rather on the 13th season page instead. werldwayd (talk) 23:58, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

My genuine concerns above have not been addressed at all. The present logo is not representative of the program spanning 13 seasons at all and is misleading. If no response is received on talk here, I will replace the one in the main American Idol page with a more generic logo applicable to all seasons. werldwayd (talk) 03:37, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
There is no generic logo applicable to all seasons. They have changed over the years. Hzh (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Name of program[edit]

Even more serious is dubbing it "Also known as American Idol: The Search for a Superstar (season 1) - American Idol XIII (season 13)". This is a global series page and the series is not known by the name at all. This is so misleading and we should reconsider this dubious naming and removing it from the infobox talking about 13 years of history of Idol. If you want to explain the difference between this year and all the other 12 years, do that in a subsection below, not on the top of the page. Plus even more strange, that we are highlighting this supposed name here, yet on American Idol (season 13) where it should have been theeeee big news, nothing is mentioned about this renaming in the intro or in infobox of that page. Something is real wrong here. werldwayd (talk) 00:02, 27 March 2014 (UTC) werldwayd (talk) 00:26, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

My genuine concerns above have not been addressed at all. The series American Idol is not known as "American Idol: The Search for a Superstar (season 1)" It's just known as American Idol. I don't know how a slogan not used even on season 13 we are talking about has taken a place at top of our article about a program spanning 13 seasons. The 13-season program is known as American Idol. Even season 13 does not use it as we allege. If there is no further response whatsoever to my concerns, I will remove all notification in infobox about the so-called "The Search for a Superstar (season 1)". werldwayd (talk) 03:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
"American Idol: The Search for a Superstar" was the first season's title, it's the reason why it's worth mentioning. It's mentioned anyway in the history section, so whether it is mentioned in the infobox is not that important.Hzh (talk) 10:25, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't know who added "American Idol XIII (season 13)" to the infobox, but that doesn't belong on this article. But, American Idol: The Search for a Superstar was the actual full title of the series -- in the first season (as it says - notice the italics), and it does belong in "Also known as". If we removed that then we would also have to remove others (Brian Dunkleman, etc.) that only pertain to the first season. --Musdan77 (talk) 22:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it is a good idea to list all different names of individual season, although a special case can be made for the first season, it's arguable whether it is the title of the series or not. The title was shortened, and I don't think anyone used the full title after season 1. Doesn't matter either way to me. Hzh (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I think we're in agreement. There's only one season that had a different title from the others -- and that's because they decided to drop the post-colon part from season one's. --Musdan77 (talk) 01:18, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Ratings section[edit]

The ratings section mentions that Idol broke a record formerly held by All in the Family and The Cosby Show by being the highest rated show for a 6th year in a row in Season 9, but I'm pretty sure this actually occurred in Season 8. Season 9 would have been the 7th time and Season 10 was the 8th and final time. I would fix it myself but I wanted to make sure I didn't read or count wrong or something. MarkMc1990 (talk) 01:48, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

It's been discussed before here. Season 3 was #1 if you consider Tuesday and Wednesday episode separately, #2 if you consider the show as a whole. You can put in 6th consecutive #1 by season 8 if you wish, just make sure that you word it correctly and properly sourced. Hzh (talk) 09:01, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Oh ok, I see now. I'm jsut curious because I don't really understand how this ratings stuff works (terrible because I was a marketing major) but how is it possible for the Tuesday show to be the most watched program by itself but the Wednesday show factored in causes it to lose that distinction overall? Do Wednesdays ratings bring down the "average" between the two or something?
Yes, once you averaged the numbers, it gets somewhere in the middle of the two numbers (not exactly middle because Tuesday and Wednesday shows are not of the same length). In both Season 3 and 4, the Tuesday episode was #1, the Wednesday episode was #3. It just so happens that in Season 3 once you average the viewing figures, the average number is lower than the #2 show which was CSI, but higher in season 4.
The ratings system is in fact a bit of a mess, because of the way the news outlets chose to report the ratings changes over the years. In the past they preferred to use household ratings, then they chose total number of viewers, now they are slowly moving to 18/49 demo. Which is fine, but they don't always report all the different numbers. So depending on which method they use, the ranking can change, which makes it difficult to compare TV ranking across the ages. The numbers using the same method can also change depending on what others adjustment they make. Hzh (talk) 18:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2014[edit]

Please put the "Treasure Of Rainbow Beard's Motto" and the song "I Wish," from the Care Bears Big Wish Movie for the 13th Season of American Idol. Once more, and it will be the only way to make things right and the thing that you need to succeed in this world, and "go back onstage and make sure that you guys are all in the same place." 174.95.203.208 (talk) 15:44, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not requested a change.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to any article. - Arjayay (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 May 2014[edit]

Add seasons for the judges and producers and hosts, the years might confuse some people. It confuses me, which is why i think it'd be easier to add seasons instead of years. 108.206.221.5 (talk) 17:19, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The "Judges and hosts" section has a color-coded table with season tenures for the judges and hosts. I can see how the years can be confusing for the directors, but I think we should establish a consensus to change it first, since it is in the infobox. Some people may find the years helpful. Best, Mz7 (talk) 20:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)