Talk:American Jews

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Inclusion of Rashida Jones for apparently (?) racist reasons[edit]

What is the justification for including Rashida Jones, and deleting far more famous substitutes (who were in the infobox far earlier)? The edit summary states that the reasoning is to "show one non-white jew". This seems to be strangely racist. Since when are Jews 'white' (how do you define this term? Most Jewish communities are shown to be of Middle-Eastern origin.) and since when was it agreed to include relatively non-notable people in an infobox on that basis? On her Jewish side, Rashida Jones is not from a different ethnic group than the rest of the infobox (which is entirely Ashkenazi) and doesn't represent any particular diversity.

I think the infobox should include some converts to emphasis the inclusiveness of the category. In which case, perhaps Elizabeth Taylor or Sammy Davis, Jr.. But including Rashida Jones (over much more famous people) simply because of the ethnicity of her father is quite bizarre. Avaya1 (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not think the reasoning is racist and although I reverted once, it was because I thought I was reverting to the last "approved" version. It is laudable to include a non-white Jew. However, there are far more notable non-white Jews than Rashida Jones, such as Sammy Davis Jr., Drake, Nell Carter, Capers Funnye Jr., Connie Chung, Andre Tippett. Sposer (talk) 16:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The article is not titled Famous American Jews. While it makes sense to put notable/famous people in the infobox, these is no basis for putting in the "most notable/famous". The article is about all American Jews and the infobox should thus reflect that. To suggest that showing a diverse and accurate picture of American Jews is "racist" is absurdity at the highest level. The images in the infobox should represent American Jews proportionally including their skin tones, or at least approach proportionality. Converts and non-Ashkenazi Jews would be appropriate to add to the infobox. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok if we agree that we should have at least one 'non-white' person (or 'not entirely Ashkenazi' people) in the infobox, as well as converts - we can all agree that there are far more notable people than Rashida Jones (who is primarily famous as a result of her famous parents). I would vote for Sammy Davis Jr. Avaya1 (talk) 20:05, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Einstein vs. Feynman in the collage[edit]

It may sound crazy at first, but I propose to replace Albert Einstein in the collage by Richard Feynman. For two reasons:

  • All important works in physics were made by Einstein before moving to the US. Only the EPR paradox paper and the Einstein–Szilárd letter were written in the USA but before he became an American citizen. His other works done in the USA are not really important. On the contrary, Feynman made his whole career in the USA.
  • Einstein is included in the collages on the pages German Jews, Ashkenazy Jews, and Jews. It is in general better to have different people in different collages if they are of comparable prominence.

--Off-shell (talk) 23:56, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

WP:SYNTH in "Jew American groups" section[edit]

The material in this new section is cited to four unrelated sources, and seems to be synthesis. I'm not sure what the point of it is. Perhaps Isinbill can explain? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:15, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Synthesis is when source 1 says A, source 2 says B and the editor combines them into a new point C. There is no synthesis here--no new group or new idea. It's just a list. The membership of subgroups A, B, C etc is listed with the appropriate cite for each one. Rjensen (talk) 03:33, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

It is not clear to me[edit]

that Emma Goldman (whom I dearly love) should be considered "an American" since her citizenship was revoked. This is about her picture in the collage. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 22:04, 5 November 2014 (UTC)