Talk:American Jews

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If folks really want[edit]

this intro in the Crime section, after something like "Jews have a long history of crime in the US" and then goes on to say (this is the part I've removed)

"whether it be in the finance industry, or the murder of innocent children"

please explain why here. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 00:49, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

You see, removing of that I would've agreed with. Fine, that appears biased, remove that. Although, now how do you justify deleting the ENTIRE SECTION OF IT? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.49.101.174 (talk) 17:34, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't think there ever was such a section prior to that series of highly biased edits.Sposer (talk) 18:04, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree with its removal. It appeared to be an attempt at parity with the section on List of American Muslims that has since been removed. It was certainly worded in a bias tone and, to the best of my knowledge, other similar pages do not have sections listing criminals. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:38, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Religion of Jewish Americans[edit]

The only listing of the religion of Jewish Americans in this article is "Judaism."

There are significant numbers of ethnic Jews who practice Buddhism, Hinduism, and Christianity, and who are either atheist or agnostic. I understand that these are very controversial. But not liking it doesn't mean those communities don't exist. The article ought to reflect it. aliceinlampyland (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2013 (UTC).

Aliceinlampyland, no one said that this is "controversial" or that they're "not liking it", what are you talking about? If you find a reliable source that supports this information you just wrote, you're welcomed to add it to the article. -Yambaram (talk) 20:17, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
The article already addresses the issue of American Jews and religious observance. It also has a paragraph about Jewish American Buddhists. I suspect aliceinlampyland is talking about the infobox. Frankly, I would be opposed to changing the infobox. It's axiomatic that Judaism is the religion of American Jews and belongs (alone) in the infobox. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 23:11, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Then you are only ethnically Jewish. But using that definition, there are probably a billion Jews in the world, although they do not know it. It makes no sense to use that. If you practice Christianity, you are not Jewish, although you may be genetically so. It is just not logical.Sposer (talk) 23:52, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Sposer: Out of confusion and curiousity, I'd like to ask you to please elaborate on this last comment... By what definition on earth would there be "a billion Jews" today? Thanks, Yambaram (talk) 22:14, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
If you took every person ever born to a Jewish mother and followed through every female only genetic line, whether they know it or not, according to Jewish law, they are Jewish. And, they are certainly ethnically and genetically Jewish, although I have always rejected personally that evil definition. I was clearly exaggerating, but I would be willing to bet there are several hundred million Moslems and Christians that are Jewish according to the Halachic definition. So, if we start including the lie that you can, for example, believe that Jesus is Messiach, or follow any other religion and still be a Jew, then you need to include all those other non-Jews as Jews.Sposer (talk) 01:06, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

"that resulted in the survival of Israel"[edit]

Creating this to discuss the current reverts over the inclusion/exclusion of "that resulted in the survival of Israel" (see [1] for example). As it stands, the statement is not sources, only the following sentence is. I agree that this is a mildly contentious claim that needs to be sourced. We cannot make such a bold claim in Wikipedia's voice without proper citation.EvergreenFir (talk) 19:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Inclusion of Rashida Jones for apparently (?) racist reasons[edit]

What is the justification for including Rashida Jones, and deleting far more famous substitutes (who were in the infobox far earlier)? The edit summary states that the reasoning is to "show one non-white jew". This seems to be strangely racist. Since when are Jews 'white' (how do you define this term? Most Jewish communities are shown to be of Middle-Eastern origin.) and since when was it agreed to include relatively non-notable people in an infobox on that basis? On her Jewish side, Rashida Jones is not from a different ethnic group than the rest of the infobox (which is entirely Ashkenazi) and doesn't represent any particular diversity.

I think the infobox should include some converts to emphasis the inclusiveness of the category. In which case, perhaps Elizabeth Taylor or Sammy Davis, Jr.. But including Rashida Jones (over much more famous people) simply because of the ethnicity of her father is quite bizarre. Avaya1 (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I do not think the reasoning is racist and although I reverted once, it was because I thought I was reverting to the last "approved" version. It is laudable to include a non-white Jew. However, there are far more notable non-white Jews than Rashida Jones, such as Sammy Davis Jr., Drake, Nell Carter, Capers Funnye Jr., Connie Chung, Andre Tippett. Sposer (talk) 16:19, 11 September 2014 (UTC)
The article is not titled Famous American Jews. While it makes sense to put notable/famous people in the infobox, these is no basis for putting in the "most notable/famous". The article is about all American Jews and the infobox should thus reflect that. To suggest that showing a diverse and accurate picture of American Jews is "racist" is absurdity at the highest level. The images in the infobox should represent American Jews proportionally including their skin tones, or at least approach proportionality. Converts and non-Ashkenazi Jews would be appropriate to add to the infobox. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 18:10, 11 September 2014 (UTC)