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I would like to include a link to a very popular handball related, non-profit commercial-free web site: The Colorado Handball Association Gene Waldvogle Webmaster for COHandball.com Genewald 21:38, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm not a native english speaker and therefore I don´t feel myself able to edit anything here in the english version of wikipedia, but I definitely think that this should be somehow added to the article. What you call 'American Handball' is played proffessionally here in Spain and other countries. --Iluntasun 20:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
Exactly. Sure it wasn't even invented in America, it was invented in Ireland and brought over. I think this should be merged in with Gaelic Handball
- I was thinking the same thing. It seems to me that this article and the articles on Gaelic handball and Australian handball are all really about the same sport and that the games played in the US and Australia all originated from the Irish game when they were brought there by Irish immigrants. I think the three articles should be merged into a single article called "Wall handball". There's a precedent for using the name "wall handball" since it appears on the official site of the World Handball Council. I'm not knowledgeable enough to say for sure or not if the rules and history of the sport in the three countries are different enough to justify there being three articles for them, though. I'd like to know what everyone else thinks. Sky Blu 2 (talk) 21:09, 19 June 2010 (UTC)
The claim that gaelic handball was first played in Scotland and then in Ireland is flawed it presumes that the earliest referenced date means the earliest time that it was played. A referenced date can only mean a referended date.The location of where the game originated in any case is lost and irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 01:58, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
It would be nice if we had mention of the great players. Kdammers 07:59, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
I don't trust many of the great players mentioned in the main article, considering that anyone can freely edit the article and vandalize by putting their names in as great players when in fact they're not. I'd only trust those players whose names are highlighted in blue, although, some names highlighted in red are reputable, like Satish. Readers should use their own judgement.
Strangely enough, the word block is not defined in the USHA rule-book, only "blocking." The definition of blocking uses the word bolck.
In our Wik article, block is explained in terms of "another player" - this should be clarified: any other player? opponent? team-mate? Kdammers 01:16, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
feet vs meters
I'm sure there's a wider wikipedia guideline at work here, but since American handball is American, AND the measurements originated as feet and are even feet - 20 feet (and uneven meters - ~6.1 meters), can we show feet first (and parenthesize meters) ? If no complaint I'll make the changes. --Justfred (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
- 40 feet (12 m) long by 20 feet (6.1 m) - Can't we be consistent? 6.1X2 =?12 Kdammers (talk) 01:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
- I didn't make any corrections. I was just pointing out that in the same description, we are claiming that a meter is 40/12=3.3 feet but also 20/6.1=3.28 feet. If we say 20 feet are (about) 6.1 m, then why do say that double that is 12 feet instead of 12.2? It's okeh by me to round off, but let's be consistent. I don't know what Your reference to 2 feet in a meter is about. Kdammers (talk) 03:01, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
I re-added the leading player content because it had been deleted "in secret" - i.e., it had been removed with-out explanation and under a totally unrelated label pertaining to other changes made at the same time. It is misleading to say that there are no refs.: some (but, admittedly, fewer than most) of the people have Wik links where their fame is documented (I only included players who are in the American handball association's hall of fame when I started the list; we had some people adding a few legit. players and a fair amount of apparent vandalism). Can we do this: only players with links to articles are accepted. Those articles will give the documentation (hall of fame membership)? Kdammers (talk) 12:24, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
I too hope that we can reach some agreement on this.
In fact, I noticed that you shortened the list, which is a step in the right direction. I do not know what the "American Handball Association" is but I would certainly accept the U.S. Handball Association's hall of fame as a source for "leading players" (http://www.ushandball.org/content/view/70/128/) and thus agree that such players could be included on the list. But it is critical that a source be given. Otherwise, the page becomes an open invitation for handball afficionados to add their personal favorites -- and maybe even friends -- to the list.
Accordingly, I have mentioned the USHA hall of fame and not included anyone who is not in it. If I've compared the lists properly, this means the deletion of David Chapman, Jack Hulik, Fred Russo, Buddy Gantt, and Jose Espinosa.
By the way, lest anyone call me ignorant about who the "leading players" are, I am in fact familiar with many of the people I am deleting. But what is the point in creating a category called "leading players" if there is no objective source given? I repeat: it only opens up problems in the future with everyone wanting to add their favorites (where is Rookie? Joe Durso? etc.).
Also, the mere fact that a player has an article should not qualify him/her for the list. Anyone can create such an article and it opens us up to the same problems. The David Chapman article has no source given whatsoever. If the article had a source to testify to his "leading"-ness, that would be a different story.
Finally, it is pointless to create links to names with no article. I have deleted such links (that is, for all players but Haber, Obert and Hershkowitz).
Again, I hope you will see my point on this. I am convinced the strict adherence to a policy of giving an unbiased source for this extremely subjective category will advance the goal of having readers take each aspect of the article seriously.
I don't think leading players should even belong on this page at all. If you look at any other articles for any sport (pick one) there's no mention of who the greatest players of all time are or who the current leaders are. It should be strictly about the sport, not it's players. I would think players would belong on a page for the USHA, since that's a governing body. For example, the basketball and ice hockey pages don't mention Jordan or Gretzky, but under the NBA or NHL section, it does. If this article had a section for USHA that linked to a page just for USHA, I think that would probably be consistent with other sports on WP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Senormime (talk • contribs) 17:54, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
I see that the leading player section is now gone. I don't know whether I agree with the delection or not, but I do note that some sports in Wik, e.g., tennis and squash, which are more closely related to handball than hockey and basketball, do in fact include top players. In any case, readers should have easy access to information on the leading playes.Kdammers (talk) 00:20, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
There is a sentence about a Basque game and a French game, stating that handball et al. are all derived from the French game. I looked at the Wik article on the French game and could find nothing indicating an age as great as that given for Irish/American handball. The Basque game's article doesn't go back further than the 19th century. Unless some-one comes up with some evidence, I'll delete the origins claim and change or remove the Basque game mention. Kdammers (talk) 05:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no mention of squash in this article. Where-ever I used to play four-wall, the courts were convertable handball/racketball/squash courts, with removable tins and some-times friendly, some-times acrimonious conflicts between players of the sports. I don't know if this sort of info warrants entry or not.Kdammers (talk) 00:22, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Terms and Techniques
Hi, can somebody throw their eye over the Terms and Techniques section - a lot of those terms look dubious and are unreferenced. Terms like "Ambi", "Ball-bounced-on-water", "Bashya", "Beast-mode", "Bullet", "Crack", "Double-down", "Ezekiel's Receive", "Exorcism", etc. Some terms such as "Slicey" have been in the article for a long time. Is there a reference available for any of these terms? --HighKing (talk) 14:37, 24 October 2013 (UTC)