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Ryan[edit]

I'd love to see any references about Ryan and this "great speculation" and the Senate hearings. Marcosson's book (I know it's not exactly unbiased) more or less says the government was investigating the copper industry as a whole, and that the charges were unfounded. No mention of Ryan dying in poverty (this I specifically doubt since he was still the head of Anaconda), just that when he suddenly died, Kelley took over. If he died in such shame, it's strange that 2000 mourners showed up at his funeral mass in New York, presided over by the Archbishop of St. Paul. BSMet94 23:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is some information here about Percy Rockefeller, from a 1932 Time magazine. This article, not based on Wikipedia, says he died nearly broke, whatever that means. And this one reports that Ryan died three days before the banking hearings began. I’m not at all certain that this helps things any; I might be able to find out more with some non-internet research (I live in Butte), but not today. Definitely typical of the mysteries and machinations of the leaders of Butte! Cheers! Geologyguy 00:33, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Checked out those links. Interesting articles. I see why the disclaimer at the top of this article... nothing had a hard reference. Also, this article has lifted a lot of text directly from those print sources. Someone needs to do a little deleting and re-writing.BSMet94 03:15, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The lack of labor relations in this story consitutes a serious POV weakness. EcoRover 18:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, when this article first appeared it was a rambling narrative, and much of that is still here. Might almost be better to start from scratch. Cheers Geologyguy 19:14, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree on lack of information re labor activities. And yes, this article needs a lot of work to make it more than the paraphrased merger of several unreferenced newspaper and news magazine articles.BSMet94 15:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for cleaning up the superfund section! That's a start...BSMet94 15:29, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

About the "special note"[edit]

Now that some verifiable information is starting to creep into this article, we should work on getting it past the "story to read" stage, and 86-ing the "special note." Anaconda was a real company and hard records exist documenting its history. There's no need for an article about Anaconda with a disclaimer saying it's purely anecdotal. BSMet94 20:18, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


U.S. Bureau of Mines Information Circular[edit]

I am the author of original article. I appreciate the "to the point" discussion on this small forum. Also most of the changes you've made to the original article are very relevant. A few days ago I found well documented and condensed info about Anaconda Copper (from the U.S. Bureau of Mines Information Circular). Unfortunately I am too busy now to implement it in a clever way to the main text of the article. If anyone of you can do it, it will be very profitable for the credibility of the article. I enclose that info below. Paul R.


U.S. Bureau of Mines Information Circular 8225 Copper – A Materials Survey, by A.D. McMahon

UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR BUREAU OF MINES 1965

The Anaconda Company - 25 Broadway, New York - incorporated June 18, 1805, in Montana, as Anaconda Copper Mining Co.; name was changed to The Anaconda Company June 18, 1955. The company and subsidiaries were engaged in: mining, milling, and smelting nonferrous metal ores (mostly copper, zinc and aluminum); refining and selling the metals obtained from these ores; fabricating semifinished and finished copper and brass products; producing and fabricating aluminum; mining and processing uranium and manganese ores; and recovering, treating, and selling byproduct metals. The principal metals recovered from ores treated are copper, lead, and zinc; however, silver, gold, arsenic, cadmium, chromium, vanadium, selenium, and tellurium, also are recovered.

Capitalisation (December 31, 1960): $ 600,000,000 in 12,000,000 shares of $50 each; 10,715,127 shares outstanding,.

Assets and liabilities (December 31, 1960): total current assets $276,211,000 total current liabilities $58,145,353

Employees, (1960): 37,000.

The company is both an operating and holding organization, having control of substantial stockholdings in the following subsidiaries:

Companies 100 percent owned: • Anaconda Alumnum Co. • Anaconda-American Brass Co. • Anaconda-American Brass, Ltd., Canada. • Anaconda Building Materials Co. • Anaconda Iron Ore (Ontario) Ltd • Anaconda Sales Co. • Butte Anaconda & Pacific Railway Co. • International Smelting and Refining Co. • Montana Hardware Co.

Mines: Principal mining operations in the United States are at Butte, Mont.: Yerington. Nev.; and near Grants, N.M. The company also produces uranium bearing ores from the open-pit Jackpile mine in New Mexico and a uranium processing plant at Blue-Water, New Mexico.

Company subsidiaries own and operate the following large mines in Chile: • Chuquicamata Mine - the largest copper mine in the world, Chuquicamata, is operated by Chile Exploration Co., a wholly owned subsidiary of Chile Copper Co., which in turn is 99.756-percent owned by The Anaconda Company. • El Salvador Mine • La Africana Mine.

In Mexico Anaconda owns the copper mine Compania Minera de Cananea, S.A.

In the United States The Anaconda Company has a copper smelter at Anaconda, Mont., having an annual capacity of 1 million tons of charge, and a lead smelter at Tooele, Utah, having a capacity of 300,000 tons of lead. Copper refineries are at Great Falls, Mont., and Perth Amboy, N.J.


Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was NO CONSENSUS TO MOVE PAGE per discussion below. -GTBacchus(talk) 03:12, 29 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anaconda Copper → Anaconda Copper Mining Company — Anaconda Copper Mining Company already redirects here. The first line in the article describes this as its name, also there are two "Anaconda Copper Mines" (Anaconda Copper Mine (Nevada) and Anaconda Copper Mine in Montana respectively), so this page would be better suited as a DAB page. — kelapstick (talk) 18:34, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.
  • Oppose. The company is very commonly referred to simply as "Anaconda Copper", and since they owned both of the mines in question, there is little need for making this a dis page. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 01:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Articles should, where practical, have the proper company name. Common names should redirect to proper names. Anaconda copper could then simply be a redirect to the propper name rather than a disambiguation page. Turgan Talk 04:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. "Anaconda Copper" by itself can refer only to the company, not the two mines, so should not be a dab page. Station1 (talk) 06:09, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:
  • To preserve page history for this page, Anaconda Copper Mining Company will need to be deelted prior to a move. So once this discussion is complete, an AfD request will need to be made. However, the results of this discussion cann be used in that discussion, and in the several other pages that are going to fall into the same category. Turgan Talk 04:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • No separate discussion is needed. The closing admin will take care of the deletion and move to preserve page history. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 06:34, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admins are not needed for a normal page move. In this case, the target page is not empty, therefore the page in question has to be nominated for deletion, either through AfD or Speedy deletion. Once that deletion is done (by an admin), ANY "registered" user can make the move. This is one of the advantages of having an active registered account. Turgan Talk 13:06, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • What you are talking about is simply making a wp:bold move. Once you have listed the proposed move at WP:RM, the process is that normally it sits there until sufficient time has elapsed to build consensus, normally 5 or 6 days, and then normally an admin, or an uninvolved user, will evaluate the consensus and make any move required. Since in this case there is no page history to save at Anaconda Copper Mining Company, it could simply be marked with {{db-move}}; AfD is only used if you want the history and the article to go away. If there had been significant history at Anaconda Copper Mining Company, it long ago should have been merged with Anaconda Copper. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 19:27, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In the mining business (my trade for 40+ years), the company was almost always just called "Anaconda", by my recollection anyway. This has no real bearing on naming the article; since both possibilities being discussed are covered by redirects, I have no particular preference. Looking thru the names used for other mining companies' articles at Category:Mining companies by country, there appears to be a weak plurality for the shorter common name -- but plenty of articles use the full name too. Best, Pete Tillman (talk) 19:37, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Anaconda, British Columbia[edit]

This was a smelting town, adjacent to Phoenix, Greenwood and other mining/smelting centres of the Boundary Country of BC, which was an adjunct to the Inland Empire. As far as I know it was owned by Anaconda Copper, whatever the DBA was in 1896, although its BCGNIS record simply says it was named for the town in Montana. There are various other mines and mining centres in British Columbia assocciated with the name Anaconda; some may only use the name honorifically, but many I'm pretty sure are associated with this company, or one of its subsidiaries.Skookum1 (talk) 16:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible copyright violation[edit]

One of the sections had unusual language that prompted me to Google for the text, and I found it at http://books.google.com/books?id=vIxtW9cw-DQC&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216 on page 216 of a 1953 book titled "The Worldly Philosophers" by Robert L. Heilbroner. I've added a copypaste tag. 98.234.112.116 (talk) 04:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

yes, and I deleted the text in question. Rjensen (talk) 04:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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References in Literature[edit]

Might Anaconda Copper, and its final collapse, been the inspiration for d'Anconia Copper in Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged? Philculmer (talk) 11:48, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

ARCO is no longer owned by BP[edit]

In the intro: "(Anaconda) currently exists only as a massive environmental liability for BP, the current owner of ARCO."

According to the ARCO article, that company (and hence Anaconda) was sold to Tesoro in 2012. So the latter part is wrong. I don't know if BP retained the prior liabilities in the deal, so that might also be wrong. Either way, the intro needs to be updated. -- PaulxSA (talk) 11:32, 28 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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