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Tolkein an anarchist?[edit]

JRR Tolkein an anarchist?!!! I want a citation!!! I have never heard anything along those lines and I would doubt it. If he were an anarchist it would have been Exile of the King not Return of the King. I think that is very dubious and until there is a citation I am taking it out. I will say I would love for that to be true, but I doubt it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.114.222.150 (talkcontribs) (05:40, 6 July 2005)

actually, there's some scholarly research to suggest that in some ways he was sympathetic to anarchism, but wasn't a traditional anarchist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.19.219.215 (talkcontribs) (20:59, 9 December 2005)
quite interesting. Do you know where I can learn more? The Ungovernable Force 06:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood to mean abolition of control, not whiskered men with bombs) – or to 'unconstitutional' Monarchy." From The Letters of J. R. R. Tolkien, no. 52, to Christopher Tolkien on 29 November 1943. скоморохъ 08:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't have a copy, but around the time the first LOTR movie was coming out, Earth First! printed some letters from Tolkien talking about considering himself an anarchist and how he thought that the internal combustion engine (or maybe it was cars?) was the worst invention people had ever come up with. Murderbike (talk) 08:39, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
Tolkein definitely hated cars, yes. He is, though, an anarchist in what I think Colin Ward called the "quietist tradition of William Morris," and not the more fire-breathing tradition of, say, Bakunin or Malatesta. He hated technological progress, mass society, urbanism, etc., which means he had something in common with Earth First!ers, with cultural conservatives like T. S. Eliot, Marxist critics like Theodor Adorno & Max Horkheimer, and anarchists like Dwight MacDonald. Rather a strange assortment, I'd say. ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 16:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Tolkein was a self-proclaimed anarchist. The theme of Lord of the Ring was destroying power, not giving it to any person or institution. Another theme was the corrupting effect of power, even on good people. Here's a Tolkein quote:

"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) -- or to 'unconstitutional' Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remain obstinate!... Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people... The most improper job of any man, even saints, is bossing other men. Not one in a million is fit for it, and least of all those who seek the opportunity."

So I'm putting him back into the Prose section. PhilLiberty (talk) 17:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Picasso?[edit]

no mention of Picasso? there should be! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.140.104.77 (talkcontribs) (23:53, 1 May 2006) As he was a member of the Stalinist Communist PArty of France, I don't think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.190.195.237 (talk) 13:22, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

John Yates[edit]

I am not familiar with this person. The link in this article is to another article about a Police Commissioner named John Yates. Is there not an article about the anarchist artist John Yates, or is the link simply directed to the wrong article? Kazhivlad 09:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

reggae/rasta[edit]

"Reggae music plays an important role in the Rastafari religion, which has much in common with anarchism."

Rastafari is based on the divinity of Emporer Haile Selassie. My understanding is that anarchists are generally not in favour of either god or royalty. John Eden 10:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Dario Fo[edit]

It would be lovely to see him included. "The Accidental Death of an Anarchist" is an excellent play showcasing anarchist ideas. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.38.215.226 (talk) 00:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

John Cage[edit]

Where is he? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.74.11.13 (talk) 21:13, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT :) Skomorokh 21:24, 18 July 2010 (UTC)