Talk:Anarchism in the United Kingdom

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Early discussion[edit]

The article prior to my edit was full of historical misinterpretations, and NPOVs in a very big pro-US-style US Libertarian Party ideology. No coverage of real English speaking anarchism at all (Tyler, Civil War, radical Whiggery, Radical US Revolutionaries, social Utopians, Kropotkin in Exile etc. No coverage of the rise of the shop-stewards movement. or IWW. Or English anarchist newspapers 1920-1960. Or US/AU IWWs in the long period of slow down. No coverage of "political" anarchism in Au or NZ or SA (see African Anarchism). The middle section is still largely bullshit. This article needs help. Fifelfoo 00:53, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I think that slapping the NPOV label on this article is a bit of an over-reaction. If the article is POV, it is because it was written by a single author who is not an expert on the history of anarchism. I created this article because it is an important topic to the Anglophones who are using this wiki, but English anarchists aren't really central to the development of anarchism in general. I tried to provide a framework within which others could add details. If it fails to cover a number of anarchist movements, the simple solution is to add that information, not dismiss the previous writing as NPOV bullshit. The solution definitely is not to delete the previous content and replace it with your own POV. I like the expanded description of the English Civil War, but don't understand why several concepts were deleted without discussion. At the least, the deleted content should have been copied to the discussion page. I think the following topics are worth mentioning:
  • The fact that English speaking societies ~1800 on were dominated by liberal institutions, and that even if anarchists did not draw inspiration from the liberals, they at least responded to these liberal institutions.
  • Same for Christianity
  • The World Wars, including post WWI pacifism and the response to fascism
  • racism and the anarchist opposition to racism
  • the Great Depression and the resulting revival of radical politics
  • I'll have to confirm this, but I think that the tradition of trial by jury and the domination of Ireland influenced English anarchism.
I won't be able to work on this article for a while, so I hope this list of suggestions will help improve it. I think that the NPOV warning should be dropped (keep the "needs help" notice) and new perspectives should be included without dissing (or deleting) the perspectives that are already included. AdamRetchless 04:36, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
English speaking societies from 1800 onwards were dominated by Tory (Democrat-Republican) politics, until the 1830s Reform Movement got the corn laws repealed, and until the formation of the Republicans out of a variety of provincial reform movements. After 1880 Australian and NZ politcs were dominated by the issue of imperialism=nationalism (free trade-protectionism) and the labour movements. UK politics from 1918 were dominated by the issue of the labour (though in shadow form, through the issue of universal male sufferage from 1830). The line about political dominance of liberalism, especially in relation to anarchism, is bull. "Reacting against liberalism" not in the specific. Goldman would have advocated the shooting of any president, had the done so...
Christianity was largely irrelevent to anarchism in the English tradition, certainly in the format you're discussion. The major cross over is in the US's utopian commune movement.
Post WWI pacificism is nowhere near as important as industrial unionism or anarchism inside the union movements
Trial by Jury was a reactionary institution until the 1830s in America, and until the mid 20th century in England. For example, until the late 19th century juries were juries of magistrates in England.
NPOV => liberalism, infact I'd argue the article before my edit was a perfect example of the "Whig theory of history".Fifelfoo 05:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Well, you seem well prepared to replace Whig history with Marxist history, which, of course is scientific. Oh, please forgive any presumptions about your ideological slant. AdamRetchless
I'm honest about my Marxist historiographical methodology. Its there. Its not NPOV. The Whiggery is definately on the way down in the current article, though the colonial section needs rewriting to remove it. Your removal of my class-interested teleology at the end was great, kudos! Fifelfoo 23:55, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I came to this page to find out a little about english Anarchism, as i know precious little. However, i found most of it was not entirely relevant, too much about the colonies and America (which is not anarchism in England)and i would have to agree there are POV issues as there was a good deal of vagueness and imbalance, and you admitted it!? I would like to see an expansion of 20th century pacifism and trade unionism. Wouldn't it also be relevant to include anarchist movements like 'reclaim the streets' et al in this? They seem to get a fair bit of coverage in the media so they do exist..however insipid they may be.--Turkeyplucker 17:30, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

list of anarchists[edit]

hans mole man

Overlap with American Individualist anarchism[edit]

There's overlap between these two articles American individualist anarchism. Maybe they should be restructured/merged.

Move[edit]

Per discussion at Template talk:Anarchism, this article has been renamed to focus on anarchism in England, though it may be expanded to encompass the UK or Britain if more on those subjects is added. ~ Switch () 07:03, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

unionism[edit]

"Unique amongst national anarchist traditions is the development of English language industrial unionism in the United States and Australia, such as in the case of the Industrial Workers of the World. The tendency of industrial unionism represented the largest wing of English anarchism until the 1960s"

this seems a bit inaccurate considering the CNT. from what i gather, anarchist unions in poland have had some success as well. is there some difference I don't know about? Murderbike 17:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant material removed[edit]

The articleneeds a lot of work i.e. role of pacifism, spies for peace,CND and civil disobedience in the sixties, Punk in the eighties etc. There was a whole load of material not to do with the topic which I removed.Harrypotter 22:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Scotland[edit]

Right now, Anarchism in the United Kingdom redirects here. What about Anarchism in Scotland? Vert et Noirtalk 05:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC) Because the United Kingdom is the United Kingdom of England and Scotland. 82.4.36.18 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 20:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, or maybe a Anarchism in the British Isle and Ireland for a name? Libleft (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:24, 23 Jan 2010 (GMT)

Sheffield Anarchist history[edit]

The Anarchist Federation group in Sheffield has done a few articles on the history of grassroots autonomous workers struggle in the city, and a look at anarchists and anarchism specifically too such as the Sheffield Anarchist Group. I'll write up something later unless someone else wants to do it. Links; 'Early Mischief Makers', in Fargate Speaker Jul/Aug 2009 'Broom Hall Burning', in Fargate Speaker Sep/Oct 2009 'Fargate Calling! Sheffield's Radical History', in Fargate Speaker Dec/Jan 2009-10

Libleft (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 01:34, 23 Jan 2010 (GMT)

Orphaned references in Anarchism in England[edit]

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Anarchism in England's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "Encarta":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT 04:46, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Anarchism in the United Kingdom[edit]

This article should be moved to Anarchism in the United Kingdom, given that it's about anarchism in the UK (not pre-act of union England). Charles Essie (talk) 01:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)