Talk:Andry Rajoelina

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For an article about a potential foreign head of state, the amount of grammar mistakes, and inconsistency is large. Was the station closed on the 13th or the 17th? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.165.196 (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Also, nothing about the Clash with the president is cited. Well it is, but the article cited does not have any dates, nor mention of Reporters without Boarders. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.201.165.196 (talk) 23:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Career: citations in french

http://www.sobika.com/v2/interview/2004/andry_rajoelina_2004.htm

http://www.madagate.com/monde-malgache/89-articles/495-viva-television-andry-tgv-met-le-turbo.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by DotMG (talk • contribs) 11:34, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Coup Attempt

NYT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.240.87.16 (talk) 19:17, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

The article needs update. Many- not to say all the information- is included in 2009 Malagasy protests. --Lemur12 (talk) 03:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Bias?

The article written is totally biased and one sided. Andry Rajoelina is being painted black. Ravalomanana made the mistake of stepping on his toes.. by closing his TV and radio stations. Andry himself did not expect the public support which he used to his benefit. Opputunity knocks onces.. which he did not miss out on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.20.160.163 (talk) 06:05, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I completely disagree. Just because the article states that the African bloc and other countries have denounced the move, it doesn't mean that the article is condoning this particular stance. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 16:59, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Birth date

Which is the correct birthdate? The article says May 30, but the sidebar states March 30. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dehagido (talk • contribs) 22:55, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning this. It's been corrected to May by Spiderone, based on a Reuters source. -kotra (talk) 16:39, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Name?

Can someone put IPA or even non-IPA on how to pronounce his name. I have heard media pronounce it as An-drezzle-oh, but that sounds very incorrect. 74.232.43.248 (talk) 02:48, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

It's close to (i)Ahndj(y) Rah-dzo'EL. Let me see if I can figure out how to put the IPA in. Malagasy is tricky because pronunciation varies widely (even for the same speaker). There are kind of "optional" sounds for most words. Lemurbaby (talk) 00:05, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Is that (i) a prefix? We currently have the /a/ pronounced [ja], which seems odd. — kwami (talk) 05:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

The way I originally wrote it, I had the ʲ at the beginning because that's how it's pronounced most of the time in normal speech, but when someone is articulating slowly and clearly then they will drop that sound at the beginning and just start with /a/. I also had the final vowel sounds in superscript which still seems right to me because they're largely elided. What do you think? - how should his name be written? - Lemurbaby (talk) 08:29, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

===Illegal logging and plundering of the country

http://news.mongabay.com/2010/0127-madagascar.html

I suggest to add this. This is not bullshit, this is real. And time will make it clear , the kind of criminal this man is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.8.7.189 (talk) 08:38, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

SHUT...DOWN...EVERYTHING! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.196.190.160 (talk) 18:36, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Photo to change

The photo in the infobox does not comply with Wikipedia's standards of neutrality (NPOV). Obviously, the page has been the target of Rajoelina's detractors, and the photo perfectly illustrates this situation. I understand that this photo is convenient because it's in the public domain since its owner is the:

"work of a United States Department of State employee, taken or made during the course of an employee's official duties. As a work of the U.S. federal government, the image is in the public domain per 17 U.S.C. § 101 and § 105 and the Department Copyright Information" [1].

Since this photo is of very low quality, the person is not facing the camera, and his face expressions are NOT his day-to-day facial expressions, I found a far better picture of him, exactly where the first one is located, with the same public domain rights. The photo was found on this document, which is a press release of some sort from the Madagascar US Ambassy. This official and public press release, which content was created by the US Embassy of Madagascar, contains another photo of Rajoelina, which is much better than the existing one. Comparison:
  
As you can tell on this before/after demonstration, I think we can all agree that the second picture is by far the most neutral picture of him. I agree that this is not the best pic ever, but it's much better than the first one, and they hold the exact same public domain rights. Replacement.

Importemps Talk 14:02, 20 october 2011

This photo is pretty dark and the bright television screen behind him (as well as the sliver of a person to his right) is distracting. Is there any reason why we can't use Picasa etc to improve the quality of the photo and repost? - Lemurbaby (talk) 14:16, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Sure thing! I am not an expert with photo editing, but if you have the know-hows... Importemps Talk 14:36, 20 october 2011

Deep changes

Hi,

Since 2009, a lot of things have changed, and I think it is about time to update this page with fresher info, and maybe less anti-Rajoelina spirit. I am going through a series of changes on this page, and would appreciate your feedbacks about the new elements I bring on the table. Here they are:

• 1st ref: http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLL312842 |publisher=Reuters.com -> dead link
• is a Malagasy media/advertising mogul -> is not how he is identified today by the international community
• declared himself transitional head of state of Madagascar -> not true, the military forces chose him (since it is the military forces that took over the government)
• the 2009 military coup that was condemned by most of the international community. -> Belongs to the Clash with the President Ravalomanana paragraph (where it is already mentionned)
• When popular protests in early 2009 forced elected president Marc Ravalomanana to resign, Rajoelina dissolved Madagascar's parliament, changed the high court judges and swore himself in as President of the High Transitional Authority on March 21, 2009. -> Belongs to the Clash with the President Ravalomanana paragraph (where it is already mentionned)
• Rajoelina was Mayor of Antananarivo, the capital of Madagascar, from December 2007 to February 2009. Throughout his tenure as mayor, Rajoelina voiced strong opposition to the policies and practices of President Ravalomanana, culminating in the launching of popular protests that, together with military intervention, resulted in the end of Ravalomanana's presidency and Rajoelina's own assumption of power as President of the High Transitional Authority (HAT). -> belongs to Political career
• Since rising to power in early 2009, Rajoelina's regime has been accused of corruption, disregard for human rights and particularly the mixing of state and personal financial interests - many of the same abuses of power for which he had frequently condemned former President Marc Ravalomanana in the run-up to the 2009 coup. -> it is a French document (I speak French fluently) and the word corruption (same word in French) is not associated once with Rajoelina, and nowhere does it say that he condemned Ravalomanana of those abuses. -> This document, because it is in French, has been used to manipulate the content of this page. However, here is an excerpt of this document that is worth reading: Rajoelina ne dirige pas un mouvement structuré et ne possède pas sa propre base de partisans. Il s’est en effet retrouvé à la tête d’un groupement hétéroclite, composé d’anciens alliés déçus de Ravalomanana,109 de barons politiques qui ont accompagné différents régimes,110 ou encore d’hommes forts dans leur région d’origine.111 Rajoelina, relativement inexpérimenté dans le jeu politique, ne cessera par la suite de subir les pressions de cet entourage, qui le poussera sans cesse à refuser le compromis qui lui ôterait un peu de ses privilèges. Translation: Rajoelina doesn't lead a structured movement, he doesn't have a group of partisans. He indeed found himself leading a very assorted group, made of disappointed ex-Ravalomanana allies, political titans that underwent several political regimes, and very influential personalities in their local government. Rajoelina, who lacks experience in the political game, will constantly have to put up with the pressure from this entourage, and which will lead him to constantly refuse compromises that eats up on his privileges.
• His position was challenged in an unsuccessful military coup attempt on 17–18 November 2010. -> Moved to assumption of presidency
• Rajoelina's personal fortune derives from the wealth of his wife's family. -> Andry Rajoelina organized night events, he's never been a DJ, this is only part of the smear campaign launched against him. This part should be ousted of this article: The author of the source article, Christina Corbett, seems to be a fervent opponent to Rajoelina, as you you tell by checking her list of published articles: http://journalisted.com/christina-corbett. Let me remind that a journalistic source still needs to have a neutral standpoint to be valid in Wikipedia, which is clearly not the case here. and a high school drop-out, by age 20 Rajoelina was working as a disc jockey in various clubs and bars around Antananarivo. -> is based on Christina Corbett article
• Clash with the President Ravalomanana -> paragraph name too biased, switching to 2009 Malagasy political crisis which is the central theme of this paragraph
• Source: http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_id=nw20090128183451778C872853 DJ-turned mayor a thorn for government -> Same this article is biased, here are some excerpts to prove it: DJ-turned-mayor a thorn for government, fierce regime critic, the baby-faced entrepreneur, Rajeolina has branded the government a dictatorship (untrue), He has so far balked at Ravalomanana's calls for talks (untrue) + the article was posted on IOL News, an Aafrican independent news site that describes itself as Our stable of sites also provides specialist entertainment, motoring, business and personal finance options, along with a host of lifestyle offerings -> no edge on politics, foreign affairs, or subjects related to the Madagascar political crisis.
• Insecurity and lawlessness erupted in the capital. Following Rajoelina's first major rally, a number of his supporters set fire to the broadcasting station of a television channel owned by the state. Major commercial centers were looted and burned, and dozens of looters lost their lives when a burning building collapsed on them. -> This part is not directly about Rajoelina, thus belongs to the page 2009 Malagasy political crisis
• A pivotal moment arrived on 7 February when anti-government demonstrators attempting to storm the presidential palace were repelled by palace security forces who opened fire on the crowd using live ammunition. Dozens of protesters were injured or killed. Both rivals at the center of the political storm continued to blame each other for the violence that had by mid-February left some 130 people dead. -> Same, This part is not directly about Rajoelina, thus belongs to the page 2009 Malagasy political crisis
• Assumption of presidency -> paragraph name, biased, switching to High Transitional Authority, the central theme of this paragraph
• upon his supposed resignation -> is not supposed, did resign
• self-declared -> not self-declared, was not all alone in this shift of power
• Rajoelina held his inauguration on 21 March amid growing international opposition with foreign diplomats visibly absent at the ceremony. Madagascar is heavily dependent on foreign aid and large donors, including the US and Norway, have withdrawn assistance in protest of the manner in which Rajoelina attained power. France, Madagascar's former colonial power, dismissed Rajoelina's presidency as "a coup d'état". -> nothing says in the source that foreign diplomats were absent at the ceremony
• Source: http://www.int.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=68&art_id=nw20090806114445868C933057 -> dead link

Pfff, that's a lot of biased, distorted, or simply false content thrown out the window. I think we can safely say that this page was once assaulted by Rajoelina's detractors, but as the smoke clears, the POV values of Wikipedia re-rises from the dead !

-- importemps, importemps, 23 november 2011 8:05