Talk:Aneroid Lake

Bathymetry

I have searched every authority I can find on lakes and none of them have any depth information on Aneroid Lake. I can find no published mention of the depth in old newspapers, nothing. The depth information listed in the article can not be anything accurate. If Aneroid Lake was unusually deep it would have been studied, measured, and published as some sort of anomaly. What I have found is:

• Aneroid Lake is 1.05 miles of shore. (Glacial Basin Lake)
• Mirror Lake is 1.10 miles of shore with a depth of ~70 feet. (Glacial Basin Lake)
• Minam Lake is 1.65 miles of shore with a depth of ~25 feet. (Natural Lake enlarged by dam)
• Glacier Lake is 1.64 miles of shore with a depth of ~120 feet. (Glacial Basin Lake)

All three of these lakes are close to Aneroid Lake with Minam being the furthest at about 6.5 miles. My guess would be a depth of 70 feet with same-sized glacial basin Mirror Lake with a Max depth of 90 feet.

I am setting the article to these numbers until a source of some kind can be located. This lake having 348 to 560 feet of depth is unrealistic. Done
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 04:47, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

I located a source for depth as published by the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 20:10, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

SNOTEL #1

I have been unable to find anything that states directly as to when or why the station is identified as the second installment #2.

• Aneroid #2 is listed as an active SNOTEL and began readings in October of 1980: HERE
• Aneroid #1 is listed (DISC) in both the drop-down lists on: THIS PAGE

---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 20:53, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Part 2:

• Aneroid #1? Quoted from HERE:
  "In 1972, the combined efforts of USU and Thiokol Corporation created what was called the Hydrologic Telemetry (HiTel) system, which would be expanded in the coming years, collocating their electronic equipment with existing manually read snow courses . The radios were now operating on 172.55 MHz and the system was expanded to 15 HiTel sites that were adjacent to snow courses established and maintained by the USDA-Soil Conservation Service."

• Aneroid #2? Quoted same document as above:
  "In 1975, the USDA-Soil Conservation Service began the initial planning to convert snow courses in key watersheds to obtain near real-time hydrologic data. A new radio technology was needed and a contract to Western Union was awarded. Western Union contracted with Secode Electronics, which was the manufacturing arm of Communications Industries, to supply meteor burst radios. In the back room of the radio design was a team of Boeing engineers. Boeing was interested in meteor burst technology for military applications. This small team was formed in 1975 under the name of Meteor Communications Consultants (MCC). In 1980, this team became known as MeteorComm Corporation (MCC). Western Union contracted to install and maintain the first meteor burst sites, which were called SNOTEL (SNOw TELemetry), using the Metracom radio. Within a short time, it became evident that the job of keeping an operational, real time data base running was a bigger job than Western Union could handle. The Soil Conservation Service started to staff up with their own electronic and hydrologic technicians to install and maintain the SNOTEL network, with the first ones coming on board in 1979-80."

It is not only possible but probable that Aneroid was one of the original 15 courses to be automated. It was famous among snow surveyors for its remoteness and difficulty as a task. With #2 coming online in October 1980 it seems that it was a combination of the corporate evolution of MCC during the development of the meteor burst technology, the withdraw of Western Union from the project passing the network and real-time database management to the Soil Conservation Service themselves all happening at the same time.

The location never changed but the technology, who was running it, how and where they were storing the data all sure did. Everything lines up great! Now I only need a published source to prove this or it remains my own original research.
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

WikiProject Oregon assessment comments

@Darryl.P.Pike: You mentioned that you would like to take this article to GA. I've left some comments below about issues you may encounter in a GA review.

@Lord Bolingbroke: Thank you very much for this. Current events in my personal environment have restricted my available hours to be at my computer for the moment but is not permanent. I will undertake each one to completion and wanted to acknowledge I appreciate the assistance.
---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Sourcing

• You cite Find a Grave several times in the notes section. This is not a reliable source (see WP:USERGENERATED), and a GA nom will likely not pass unless these sources are replaced.
• You cite a book A Leap Off the Well Worn Path several times. This is published by Lulu.com, a self-publishing service, and is hence not reliable (WP:SELFPUB).

Prose

Parts of the article need to be trimmed to conform with WP:GACR#3b.

• You go into far too much detail in the "Avalanche history" section. We do not need an hour-by-hour chronology of each avalanche incident. I would suggest trimming your description of each of these incidents to a single paragraph.
• Similarly, parts of the SNOTEL history section should be trimmed. For example, we do not need a paragraph about the federal government's interest in snow surveys after the Dust Bowl. Just give information about the SNOTEL station at Aneroid Lake.

General comments

• Why do you use the {{hyphen}} template rather than a regular hyphen character? This makes the wikitext harder to parse and many of the spots you use hyphens should be en dashes anyway per MOS:DASH.
• Make sure to use the {{convert}} template consistently. There are a few figures that need metric conversions. Also, per WP:UNITSYMBOLS we should not use prime or double prime for inches or feet (8000 feet rather than 8000′)).

This isn't a comprehensive review but just a few issues that stood out to me on an initial read-through. Let me know if you have any questions. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

@Darryl.P.Pike: Also, I'd suggest comparing this article to our existing GAs for lakes in Oregon – Crater Lake and Hart Lake (Oregon). Information about Aneroid Lake's geography, geology, and ecology seems lacking in comparison. – Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 17:55, 3 April 2021 (UTC)