|WikiProject Medicine||(Rated B-class, Mid-importance)|
- 1 Get rid of complaint boxes
- 2 Statement needs valid reference
- 3 Statement makes no sense
- 4 ANZCA
- 5 "Gold, et. al"
- 6 Anesthesiologists are the most likely physicians to become addicted to prescription medications.
- 7 Title: Anesthetists vs Anesthesiologist
- 8 Need information on anesthesia subspecialties
- 9 Sweeping Edits
- 10 Two vs. Four year premedical education
- 11 Surge of vandalism on this page
- 12 Globalization tag
- 13 First three sentences make no sense.
- 14 Edit request on 10 August 2012
- 15 Irrelevant trivia
Get rid of complaint boxes
- I removed the globalize tag, but the article only references one source (which is hardly adequate). So the other tag stays for now unless anyone disagrees. Aaron mcd (talk) 02:41, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Statement needs valid reference
The statement "According to the Society of Anesthesiologists, Anesthesiologists provide or participate in more than 90 percent of the 40 million anesthetics delivered in the USA annually." is referenced with a marketing type web page that only provides this same statement without documented research. Was this a poll, research study, ASA member survey? This leaves a lot of room for questions and bias.
Statement makes no sense
"In certain areas of the country there has been a shortage of anesthesiologists for several years. ... In many of these underserved areas, physicians supervise ACTs...." Interesting statement, in that there are CRNAs in practically every city in the nation. For example Philadelphia, Houston, Dallas, etc. has CRNAs in every major hospital - are these major cities underserved??? Also, there has been a shortage of anesthesiologist for the last 100 years, that's why there are CRNAs and AAs. Eclipse Anesthesia 21:10, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yup, just like nurse practitioners and PAs. Most MD/DOs supervise 2-4 rooms, and only begin and end, but not sit, their own cases. They also have significant roles outside the OR, but you are right, the focus on rural I think probably refers to the other mid level providers more so than CRNAs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:38, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
In Australia/NZ Anaethetists are required to first sit a standard medical degree... and the training is about 7 years also... it's over 12 years all up before you enter a most junior position. 4-6 years med school, 2 years internship, 5 years minimum training in anaesthesia.
Most NZ anaethetists sit the exam in Australia under their medical board, however the "doctorate" is recognised in NZ as equivilency.
- This is not true. It is a combined Australian_and_New_Zealand_College_of_Anaesthetists. The qualification is not a doctorate it is a fellowship (FANZCA) 
== Definition == I don't know
I think that the definition of an anaesthesiology needs some work. The scope is far too narrow and lacking in depth. Discussion needs to include the role of anaesthetists in managing pain and medical emergencies in addition to intraoperative sedation and traditional anaesthesia. Further, anaesthesiologists have roles in intensive care settings in some countries (like Australia). They do not simply put people to sleep, keep them asleep and wake them up, like the current defition implies. They are experts in physiology (particularly cardiorespiratory) and pharmacology, as well as being proficient saviours in the art of IV cannulation - a skill that many junior medical staff often have to fall back on for difficult veins. Finally, they act as patient representatives in the operation theatre and are great exponents of highly controlled and coordinated practice.
Perhaps some review should be taken of the definition as provided by a number of Anaesthetics Training College websites?
Since about 1988, the American Board of Anesthesiology has required 4 years of training after achieving a doctorate in order to be "Board Certified".
"Gold, et. al"
Is that an acceptible citation?
Anesthesiologists are the most likely physicians to become addicted to prescription medications.
Citation needed. poop ha ha ah a JasonBourne2007 03:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Why has this piece of information been given a headline in the discussion page and a citation in the main page? -- Copperman 15:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
Bold text== No difference in outcomes link == '''''''''U r a poopy little girl''''''''' This article is about anesthesiologists, and does not require this reference or resource. This resource should be added to an article about Nurse Anesthetist if such a page exists, or you should create the article. --Copperman 06:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
Title: Anesthetists vs Anesthesiologist
I think that the title of the article should be Anesthetist. Anesthesiologist is only used in north america (I think Canada uses both for doctor practioners). The rest of the world uses Anesthetist. It is a little US-centric and possibly racist. In the interests of clarity, NPOV, understanding and global harmony, perhaps it might be changed.
This also means the first line in misleading. It gives the impression that Anesthetist is used only in Britain, but it is used in India (lots of doctors there), Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa, Botswana and so on.... 220.127.116.11 04:38, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
- The style of spelling the article is first written in is the one it should stay with, according to Wikipedia policy. Don't worry - I'm sure "global harmony" isn't jeopardized because some people don't spell "Color" with a 'u'. - 18.104.22.168 00:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
- I disagree with User:22.214.171.124; if only north america uses the term "-ologist" then I would support moving the name of the article to Anaesthetist. If the wiki policy on this matter described above is regarding spelling then this may not apply - this is a different word, not a different spelling of the same word. Does anyone disagree before I proceed with a name change? k1-UK-Global 14:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
THERE IS NO ARGUMENT. An anesthesiologist is a physician that has specialty training in the field of anesthesia and either supervises or personally delivers an anesthetic. the term anesthetist refers to a person that delivers an anesthetic. The reason for confusion is that in a lot of areas throughout the world anesthetics are administered by physicians and therefore the distinction between anesthetist and anesthesiologist is not necessary or does not exist. However in some areas of the world anesthetics are delivered by anesthetists that are not necessarily anesthesiologists (physicians) and therefore the distinction between the two is necessary.
Please feel free to see the Merriam-Webster definition of the word Anesthesiologist. Still American-centric; For definitive definitions in the english language reference Oxford English Dictionary, you will find no entry for anesthesiologist
This portion of the article needs to be re-written in order to accurately reflect the subject or the title should be changed to that of anesthetist which is the broader more inclusive term. It is not only important for this to be accurate for the article, but to maintain the validity of the overall site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nnedeff (talk • contribs) 14:14, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Need information on anesthesia subspecialties
I think the various subspecialties deserve more elucidation / own pages. In particular, there is precious little Wiki information on Pediatric Anesthesia. I am interested in different anesthesia approaches to neonates vs. older children, and pretty much struck out here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by PedEye1 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
Not sure why the sweeping edits were made describing an Anesthesiologists work, but not only were they inappropriate, they were replaced with inaccurate data regarding the malpractice and salary issues facing Anesthesiologists. Returning to previous version. 126.96.36.199 13:18, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Anesthesiologists are "board certified" as peri-operative physicians, and the removal thereof is unnecessary. If one is not board certified, then they do not fall under the category of "board certified anesthesiologist". Furthermore, nothing was implied that AA/CRNA care was new or limited, and this article is talking about Anesthesiologists, not mid-level occupations within the medical field. The shortage of Anesthesiologists in rural areas is the primary argument for augmentation of mid-level providers, up to and including the Medicare opt-out. As such, edits will be reversed, unless said edits are reasonably discussed in this talk page. Thank you. ICUDocMD 16:37, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
- Note to 188.8.131.52: I appreciate your enthusiasm to adding to this article, but please keep in mind wiki rules regarding edits. ICUDocMD 23:01, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Two vs. Four year premedical education
I do not see the value in bringing up 6 year medical education programs, I believe there are only 1-2 in the US out of over one hundred medical schools, the vast majority of Anesthesiologist have completed 12 years of post high school education and bringing up 10-12 seems to be superfluous. I have not edited the main page, but wonder if this has been discussed before
- Its part of the CRNA attempt to cover up that they are nurses with 2 years extra training, compared to docs with 12-16 years of training.184.108.40.206 (talk) 03:41, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
Surge of vandalism on this page
There's been quite a bit of vandalism on this page in the past 2 days, is that an indication for locking this page down? Also, I'm not sure how to tag the users/IPs as vandals, and I can't find the help page on that. Anyone knows how to? Squiggle 15:36, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
To be straightforward, someone who is editing this page is an idiot. The section under training that describes a shortage of Anesthesiologists is under the heading- "Anesthesiologists are the best". What does that even mean? And the assertion that "jeremy stock is awsome!!" under the references convinces me that someone intentionally ruined this page.
I have removed the generic globalization tag from this article. If you think the tag is deserved, please feel free to restore it -- but please also add a clear explanation right here on this talk page. Your actual concerns are much more likely to be adequately addressed if you identify them. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
- Restored the tag. The main body of the article is essentially "Anesthesiologists in the US" - I count eight references to the US in that section and no other countries. It needs to be more generalised, and US specific information should be in a section down the bottom with the other country specific information. Don't have knowledge of the field to fix this myself, but I think the problem is quite blatant! Nick Fel (talk) 12:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
First three sentences make no sense.
I can tell this article has clearly been chopped and edited numerous times due to individuals with motives other than clearly defining a term on wikipedia for the uninformed, but seriously...this entry is completely unreadable now. What do the first three sentences even mean? They don't make sense.
"An anesthesiologist (US English) or anaesthetist (British English) is a physician trained in anesthesia and peri-operative medicine. However, in the United Kingdom,[clarification needed] the term anaesthetist has a broader context, to include both[clarification needed] types of practitioners. The source further defines an anesthesiologist as a physician who completes an accredited residency program in anesthesiology, usually four years following medical school."
What are "both types of practitioners"? This makes a reference that hasn't been defined.
What "source" further defines an anesthesiologist?
This whole article should be scrapped, written from scratch to define the term without all the garbage arguments between provider groups, and locked. As is it's rather useless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 16:44, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
There is merit in a complete re-write. There is a lot of ill feeling, esp in the USA I understand about the respective merits of physician and non-physician anaesthetists. In the UK the latter are no longer really developing with a few dozen such colleagues in a modest number of hospitals. This is such a bone of contention, esp in the USA that there is something to be said for an effort to edit this page and lock it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skinner doc (talk • contribs) 20:47, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
THERE IS NO ARGUMENT. An anesthesiologist is a physician that has specialty training in the field of anesthesia and either supervises or personally delivers an anesthetic. the term anesthetist refers to a person that delivers an anesthetic. The reason for confusion is that in a lot of areas throughout the world anesthetics are administered by physicians and therefore the distinction between anesthetist and anesthesiologist is not necessary or does not exist. However in some areas of the world anesthetics are delivered by anesthetists that are not necessarily anesthesiologists (physicians) and therefore the distinction between the two is necessary. Please feel free to see the Merriam-Webster definition of the word Anesthesiologist. This portion of the article needs to be re-written in order to accurately reflect the subject or the title should be changed to that of anesthetist which is the broader more inclusive term. It is not only important for this to be accurate for the article, but to maintain the validity of the overall site.Nnedeff (talk) 14:22, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 10 August 2012
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The opening section of this article should be changed. currently it states the following: "An anesthesiologist (US English) or anaesthetist (British English) is a nurse or physician trained in anesthesia and perioperative medicine."
This is a slightly inaccurate and potentially misleading statement.
"An anesthesiologist is a physician that specializes in anesthesiology. An anaesthetist (UK) or anesthetist (US) is a person that administers or provides an anesthetic, this person can be a physician (anesthesiologist) or nurse or other mid-level provider, such as an anesthesia assistant. In many areas of the world anesthetics are administered or provided exclusively by physicians, in these cases referring to a physician or anesthesiologist as an anaesthetist or anesthetist is accurate."
Source: Merriam-Webster dictionary definition of anesthesiologist.
Regarding the confusion and the distinction between the two: The term anaesthetist or anesthetist is a broader term that encompasses anesthesiologists, which are a particular type of anaesthetist or anesthetist. So while anesthesiologists are anesthetists, not all anesthetists are anesthesiologists. This is analogous to the idea that all men are humans, but not all humans are men.
- While I agree with what your saying and have found a few sources to verify this, I'm unsure how to word it other than just deleting 'anaesthetist' and leave the reference to anaesthesiologists. Could you perhaps make the request in 'Change X to Y' format as the template suggests, or indicate how you think the lead sentence should read? Cheers — Deontalk 07:46, 16 August 2012 (UTC)