Talk:Ann Nixon Cooper

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What I wondered when I heard his speech (live - there's dedication - I stayed up till almost 5 in the morning to hear it here in the UK) - how did Obama know about her and how she had voted, to mention her in his speech? Was she known locally for her political views and great age, say, and this somehow got through to him, perhaps suggested as a good soundbite to make by his advisor's? (talk) 16:34, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

All campaigns keep databases on select cases that can be used in speeches, debates etc. These can be stories picked up by the candidate himself, by other campaign workers or through the media. In the case of Nixon Cooper, she was mentioned by CNN as early as 20 October when she voted early. Lampman (talk) 18:06, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Its called a Foley File. First developed for Eisenhower V. Joe (talk) 03:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
The truth is that she was friends with Andrew Young, who recommended her to Obama for his speech.Ryoung122 23:41, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Against Merge[edit]

Ms. Nixon-Cooper is noteworthy for a number of reasons. Lycurgus (talk) 17:33, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Such as...? I see a Community Service Award from WXIA-TV and Annie L. McPheeters Medallion for community service from the Auburn Avenue Research Library on African American Culture and History. This alone wouldn't make someone notable. Nor is being mentioned in a speech. Politicians use anecdotes in speeches all the time. Most of the people they mention are not notable in the least. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:56, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Merge Clear case of WP:BLP1E; no notability beyond mention in the speech. Lampman (talk) 18:03, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
  • Keep The MLK ref shows a notability that predates the Obama speech. There are also other articles on centegenerians, so extreme age is a notability factor. MMetro (talk) 18:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
In no way whatsoever; notability isn't contagious, you don't become notable simply by meeting notable people. Centenarians (there are 55,000 in the U.S. alone) only have pages in extreme cases, or if they have independent notability. Lampman (talk) 19:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
She wasn't a groupie. She was honored by a winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. That's recognition of her notability from a credible source. MMetro (talk) 08:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Strong keep and don't merge - important, timely, relevant biography. Keep.Scanlan (talk) 01:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep I think that she has reached the level of notability sufficient for her own article. Well beyond a mere mention in a speech, she was to topic of a major passage of a very major speech in a historical context. I think she was probably borderline notable prior to the speech, but the speech did push above the line on her own merit. Dman727 (talk) 03:04, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Why did you change my vote to delete, Dman727? Don't modify it again. I've changed it back myself. MMetro (talk) 08:58, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
I am so so sorry. I was trying copy/paste your formatting for my own comment within the edit window and somehow modified yours. (I was thinking delete initially, but changed my mind as I was putting together my thoughts). In any event, I'm really sorry about that and I'm very glad you caught it. Dman727 (talk) 16:15, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Understood. No malicious intent. MMetro (talk) 00:16, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
Keep. I'm a Republican, and I still stay keep the article. However, I disagree with User "Mmetro," in that every person ever mentioned by Jimmy Carter, Teddy Roosevelt or Al Gore does not need his (her) own link. The Martin Luther King connection and the extreme old age are enough V. Joe (talk) 03:14, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
My argument is not as you put it, Joe, but that the combined disparate reasons for her notability disprove the One Event Notability argument. MMetro (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Assessment for WP:WikiProject Barack Obama[edit]

I've rated this article as C-class because it has a good structure and provides a fair amount of information with sources, but it still leaves much to be explained. It describes its subject as an activist for African-American people's rights and lists some very interesting friendships, but details a biography more oriented toward nonpolitical public service, and it doesn't really explain how she became involved with the Obama campaign. Mike Serfas (talk) 05:04, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Famous for...???[edit]


This article calls Ms. Cooper and "activist" for rights, but there's little evidence of that. She acceded to the demands of a racist and sexist society, not voting when she had the right to. This is not Rosa Parks. Also, there's little evidence that she was known outside the local public service community and African-American establishment until mentioned by President-elect Barack Obama until 2008. In effect, he made her famous. This article needs to be objective, not using peacock language to make it seem like there is more here than there is. I noticed there was very little editing between November 2008 and her death this month.Ryoung122 23:50, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

An "activist" for "civil rights" who didn't even vote, because she was a "woman"? Doesn't sound like Rosa Parks to me.Ryoung122 04:56, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

If you dont think shes notable, I dont think she is either, make an afd. (talk) 18:49, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
She's notable because Obama mentioned her in a speech. That's the point.Ryoung122 04:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Age issue[edit]

The 1910 census lists Ann as born in 1903.Ryoung122 04:51, 9 August 2010 (UTC)