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Definitions[edit]

antagonist- villian or some one that is jasmine:: basically it's simply greek for opponent or etymologically more precisely: ant-agonistis, anti-fighter. it's the opposing fighter or generally the opponent.

An antagonist is someone that opposes the protagonist-someone who all of the action in a story is centered around. NOT someone who is evil or villian neccesarily. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.17.153.108 (talk) 03:17, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the in-game world that I encountered is the Glitch Droid. He is the antagonist, he can posses the AIs and the rest of it. Best Gamer 4 August 2006

The Moby-Dick part is right to say that the protagonist and antagonist are ambiguous, so it should not definitively say that Captain Ahab is not the protagonist. 65.184.47.233 01:30, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Literary term?[edit]

The Chambers Dictionary makes no reference to narrative in its definition of 'antagonist'. The word simply means something (or someone) that acts in opposition to something else. Whereas 'protagonist' (meaning 'first actor' or 'leading character') is a dramatic or literary term that has moved into general use (often to mean something completely different), 'antagonist' is an everyday word that seems to have been pressed into literary service – presumably owing to a mistaken belief that it is somehow the 'opposite' of 'protagonist'. It isn't.

It's questionable whether the literary sense deserves an article at all. To make it the eponymous article, leaving the acknowledged biological and chemical senses two (or even three) clicks away, seems, frankly, ridiculous. Grant 03:28, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

"Antagonist" is a literary term, but it does not necessarily mean the "opposite" of a protagonist. It is, however, a legitimate literary term that refers to some kind of force that acts against the protagonist, which must always exist in order for there to be conflict in a story. 65.184.47.233 01:33, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I've always understood the literary "Antagonist" to be one who is attempting to stop the action of the inciting incident. Whereas the "Protagonist" either causes the inciting incident or continues the momentum of that incident. Thus the "AntagonistProxy-Connection: keep-alive Cache-Control: max-age=0

is not necessarily the "villain" or "hero" but just the stopping force of the protagonist. The antagonist wants to stop the agent of change. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IamaMuncho (talkcontribs) 03:47, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

"Antagonist" derives from the Greek word "anti", meaning "against". The problem seems to be that people imagine that "protagonist" derives from the Latin word "pro" (meaning "for"). It doesn't. It derives from the Greek word "protos" (meaning "first"). It's got nothing to do with whose side he's on; the protagonist can be the bad guy. The use of "antagonist" as a literary term is essentially a mistake. Grant (talk) 13:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Confusion of terms[edit]

This is the first page which comes up when searching for antagonists, and although it is accurate it bears no mention to chemical antagonists. A seperate page or paragraph should be included to link the two pages. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.11.218.36 (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC).

Not necessarily evil...[edit]

The antagonist is defined as one who opposes the protagonist in a story, and is usually represented as a character causing trouble. The protagonist is just the main character who must overcome obstacles to reach a goal, not necessarily a "good guy." Elfred 21:42, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

That's true!24.148.26.74 (talk) 16:15, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Macbeth is an example to this, the antagonists (Malcolm and Macduff) are the good guys while Macbeth is really the villain of the story. --Dark paladin x (talk) 04:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Most of Wall E is another example. Though the villain Auto is an antagonist as well, the main antagonist of that film is EVE, since the film's main conflict is WALL E trying to win EVE's affections while she keeps pushing him away to focus on finding the plant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Web wonder (talkcontribs) 01:48, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Frigied?[edit]

In the last line, it talks of Frigied. Wikipedia doesn't really explain what it is, so can someone shed some light? hi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.92.16.88 (talk) 20:26, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

And u no what else is cool about these guys they r antis idk i was just taking a guess —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.140.194 (talk) 17:36, 10 March 2008 (UTC)


Poorly defined dualistic thinking?[edit]

While the third paragraph at the bottom tries to illustrate the blurring of these classic terms, and is essentially included it is worded in a way that seems as if it could be improved. Or perhaps it is my own bias... as i just could not help but laugh while reading it 72.204.92.107 (talk) 11:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Modern Examples[edit]

I suggest that the entire "Modern Examples" section be scrapped. A few basic well-known examples might be helpful for the purposes of illustration, but having a list that could conceivably contain literally millions of valid examples doesn't seem to serve any purpose.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 20:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

i'll edit it, leaving in popular franchise, high grossing stuff, and then some comedy ones so people can see antagonists in non dramatic work.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 06:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

i edited it. tried leaving the big ones in, harry potter, etc. I'd really like to see two things added to this article. Couple of examples from Shakespeare, and then examples from an older large series, like Godfather or something like that. Shakespeare I think is a given, but i don't know enough about either of these so I cant. I suggest someone else to tho.IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 06:57, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
My worry is that people will just come in behind you and add another hundred new examples. If there's going to be examples, I suggest it be few (2 to 4) and placed within the prose. Otherwise, we're just going to have to keep pruning the list every few months as people add back their personal favorite characters.--71.196.109.196 (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, but I vandalized the page. I thought it would be funny to show that the universe is your antagonist. I thought better of it moments later and undid the change. First, last, and only edit of the sort on the wiki. Sorry folks. I also agree that the unending list of modern examples is desired to be avoided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.92.135.56 (talk) 17:46, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Caitlyn is a horny bitch!!

always a character?[edit]

My fifth or sixth grade english teacher defined an antagonist as whatever opposed the protagonist, even if that opposition was nature or a mindless machine. By that definition, an antagonist isn't always a character; even the weather could be an antagonist. Was my teacher simply mistaken, or is wikipedia simply going with a different definition?Web wonder (talk) 22:20, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Scrapping some[edit]

I am cutting away the entire "modern" section in the middle. Not only is this almost certainly OR, it is not accurate either. Old posts on the talk pages call this into question, and I see no defense happening after - apparently - years. So, off ye go. DigitalHoodoo (talk) 13:05, 23 February 2011 (UTC)