Talk:Anthems and nationalistic songs of Canada

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Great job[edit]

Good job in creating this article. I think 200 years of history is a bit short and should start with New France. I understand the article is new and I assume we all agree much can be done. When we wrote the Music of Canada article many years ago i came across the song Holy Family feast day by Charles-Amador Martin from 1700 - this would probably the first home grown song that was used nationalistically (religiously). We should also mention "A Canadian Boat Song" - not by a Canadian but by Thomas Moore that was considered a patriotic song and was published and performed over and over again for 50 years during the 1800s. Just a few things - I am sure there are many more.Moxy (talk) 15:50, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Expanding the scope to before the conquest of New France was my first thought. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 17:47, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing against expanding the scope, I just went with what was on Wikipedia. I think we should stay within the scope of provincial and national patriotic songs. Not sure Holy Family feast day fits, but I don't know anything more than what you mention above. Could very well fit, but lets try to keep it to blue links until we get it flushed out. Then add any red links to articles that should be created. Dkriegls (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A Place to Stand, a Place to Grow- under anthems?[edit]

The article for A Place to Stand, a Place to Grow calls it an "an unofficial anthem of the Canadian province of Ontario". Should it be placed under "Other anthems"? done

Did you know nomination[edit]

Hey interested editors. I just nomiated this for Did you know. Feedback was as follows:

  • "Note however that you are several references short. See the [citation needed] for an idea where. Also, remember that song title should be within quotes; note that there is an ISBN error for Canadian Musical works 1800–1980... you may want to double check."

Lets take a minute to address these issues, cheersDkriegls (talk) 01:27, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only one left....only anthem for a province.Moxy (talk) 03:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Turns out it wasn't. But, done and done. I will let them know.Dkriegls (talk) 05:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Grats, we made it to DYK for July 1, Canada Day! Dkriegls (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See also section[edit]

I had originally add the ones below -

But then realized the article is about Canada so I was thinking other Canadian symbol's and patriotic articles should be in this section... like

what do you guys think?Moxy (talk) 14:49, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. It's about music of course and so those on top should stay, but arms of Canada? I don't get that one at all. Similarly Public holidays. Symbols I'm hedging on. Music of Canadian cultures is in both lists. We could probably remove American patriotic music, but it's the article that was the foundation of this one and is its sibling so it might be good to keep. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Good Article assessmant[edit]

I may be over eager, but I'm thinking we could probably take this to Good Article assessment soon. Only thing I see missing are citations for the Other nationalistic songs. And of course any future songs that any of us add to the list. Dkriegls (talk) 09:47, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"The Island"[edit]

I need help verifying the claims about this song. The citation for this song is a dead link and I'm not finding any easy references to it. This list of Cape Breton Songs, composed by the Memorial University of Newfoundland's Folklore and Language Archive doesn't have it listed. The song was added back on 3 March 2015 by an IP address. I suspect it may not belong on this list, but want to give other's the chance to look into its authenticity as an "offical" song. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 19:00, 3 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'm moving the entry here for Archiving. If someone can find a reliable source for it, we can discuss moving it back to the Article. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 01:28, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Island" (We Are an Island, A Rock in a Stream) was composed by Kenzie MacNeil, and was proclaimed the official anthem of Cape Breton by then Premier John Buchanan of Nova Scotia in May, 1985.[1]

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  1. ^ "The Island". Retrieved March 2, 2015.

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Shouldn't it be "patriotic" songs rather than "nationalistic"?[edit]

There's nothing particularly nationalistic about a lot of these songs, especially compared to lots of famous national anthems like La Marseillaise. I think patriotic would be a more descriptive (and less POV, since nationalism is much more controversial than patriotism). ❃Adelaide❃ (talk) 05:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It could go either way. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/nationalism, particularly the first definition, vs https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/patriotism. The national anthem is certainly nationalistic. "Canada" is and "The Maple Leaf Forever" was actually a nationalistic hymn of sorts, particularly in Upper Canada. So again, it could go either way. Patriotism is more of an American concept so I would rather avoid the term. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:21, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

More?[edit]

Alberta Bound, Canadian Pacific, Four Strong Winds 2001:56A:FA85:3800:784A:109C:8D35:9ECE (talk) 07:36, 14 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Potential addition under "early patriotic songs"[edit]

suggestion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_Canadien_errant 2607:FEA8:45A0:F830:DDF0:8C8A:75A5:10E9 (talk) 12:38, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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