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Disambig[edit]

this should be a separate entry with a link from Eden disambiguation:

Anthony Eden (1976 - ) is a Java software developer developing numerous open source projects such as JPublish, FormProc, and DataBind. CTO of Signature Domains, Inc. in Miami, FL.

Amphetamines[edit]

Source for the amphetamines stuff? john 18:18, 18 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I beleive the amphetamines thing is true to some extent, however!, and it's a BIG however, this needs a complete rewrite. The article discusses Suez in the context of amphetamines rather than the other way round. Mintguy (T) 00:52, 4 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Sir Anthony Eden?[edit]

How come he was Sir Anthony Eden; was he knighted if when and which order, or was he a baronet, and then when did his father die?

He was created a Knight of the Garter in 1954, hence the "KG" after his name. Proteus (Talk) 11:01, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

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Wikipedia pro-western bias: A. E. drug abuse cover-up[edit]

The Eden was a long-time drug abuser, who dosed himself with meth-amphetamines ever since the early 1930s, following an accident. There was an one-hour british TV documentary on Discovery History channel, where they researched the issue thoroughly and gave proof that the substance made him paranoid and the 1956 Suez War he made because he had visions of Nasser morphing into Hitler.

Other famous meth abuser was JFK who also started to take it due to injury (of the back and spine) and it made him reckless and he almost started a nuclear war where he spoke nonsense about sausages in a Berliner platz. Many western politicians are either drunkards or drug abusers, morphine and amphetamines are common even these days. Paranoids lead many countries and ordinary citizens don't even know. Dubya is heavily back to whiskey now, because of Iraq fiasco and public opinion loss. Laura complained about this to friends and National Enquirer journalists taped that. 195.70.48.242 15:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

[1] has Bill Deedes saying "I was close enough to the Suez scene to know that he was relying heavily on prescribed amphetamine and barbiturate. His nervous system had been damaged by the gall bladder operation and the steps that had to be taken to put it right. He suffered sleepless nights and fevers." --Henrygb 14:23, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't like the wording of the Suez Invasion. Just the fact that the mention of Eden's motives, i.e. Nasser supposedly being like Mussolini and being bent on invading land supposedly belonging to other countries sounded a bit biased. So I added the fact that the canal itself has always been on Egyptian soil, was built by Egyptian slave labour and that nationalization met with popular support amongst the Egyptian people. (Canadianpunk77 01:54, 13 October 2007 (UTC)).

Eden's operation[edit]

According to the BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5193202.stm), Eden's gall bladder operation was a complete failure - apparently the knife "slipped", causing serious damage to his bile duct. Hence the continued need to use pain killers. Unfortunately he also took other drugs to counter the pain killers. Some belived that his dependance on drugs affected his judgement during the Suez Crisis.

In light of the above (yours and others), should the article read that the Suez crisis led to the breakdown in Eden's health? I believe in Lucas' "The Lion's Last Roar", we see commentary from his physician corraborating the above (re: drugs) as well as notes on Eden's health contributing to the fateful decision, in what Lucas described as relenting to French pressure due to exhaustion. --68.50.30.182 23:35, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

It could probably be amended to say that it certainly didn't help...

A learned article has been published in the United States about Eden's medical problems, evidently with the support of his widow, now in her late 80s: John W. Braasch, Anthony Eden’s (Lord Avon) Biliary Tract Saga: Ann Surg. 2003 November; 238(5): 772–775; http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1356158

Amphetamines, "speed"[edit]

"Eden was prescribed the wonder drug of the 1950s - Benzedrine. Regarded by doctors in the 1950s as a harmless stimulant, it belongs to the family of drugs called amphetamines – the illegal drug we now call speed." -- Deleted bolded as misleading. Amphetamines are not now illegal per se. Per Speed, that term can refer to "amphetamines, methamphetamine, and other psychostimulant drugs". -- Writtenonsand (talk) 22:22, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The Eden Trust[edit]

I was wondering of someone could tell me if the Eden Trust, a registered UK charity and whole owner of the Eden Project in Cornwall, was founded by or named after Sir Anthony Eden, or someone else in his immediate family. --Mark2196 (talk) 00:21, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Most unlikely. Despite Eden's well documented love of gardens and plants, the Eden project is surely a reference to the biblical Garden of Eden. IXIA (talk) 05:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

External links don't work[edit]

Somebody ought to go over the external links. Serveral of them don't work any more. --Maxl (talk) 11:49, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Son's death[edit]

I don't feel strongly enough to change this - but I would say we die we die rather than decease. Especially in war. And what does Eden "accepting" his son's death mean? Had he a choice? Rogersansom (talk) 11:02, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have an Eden biog to hand to check (most of my library is boxed up after a series of house moves) but my recollection is that his son was MIA and his death was never proven. Lot of parents harbour false hopes under such circumstances.Paulturtle (talk) 03:29, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

The release of war criminals[edit]

The lengthy coverage of this controversial topic is perhaps disproportionate. IXIA (talk) 05:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

... and more generally[edit]

I wonder whether this article draws a bit too heavily on Dutton who is, on the whole, less sympathetic to Eden than, say Rhodes James or Thorpe. LymeRegis (talk) 17:12, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Libya[edit]

I'm not sure the current war in Libya is really relevant to Eden; the 2003 Iraq war where Britain and the US decided to go it alone without the backing of the UN might be a better comparison. (HantersSpade (talk) 10:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC))

But maybe the point is that, with Libya, Britain and France did seek a UN mandate and ensured that America was, broadly speaking, on board, despite apparent initial misgivings - i.e. pretty much the opposite of Suez. I understand the UN point, but perhaps the main one, in terms of realpolitik was the stance of the USA in all three instances. LymeRegis (talk) 06:05, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Languages[edit]

On one point, he learned French and German as a child and studied Persian with Arabic at Oxford, but do we have a source on his Russian? https://archive.org/details/siranthonyedenth012634mbp suggests on page 23 that he didn't learn it. Is it a matter of what we mean by "learn" and "speak"? Prometheus-1234 (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Spanish Civil War[edit]

There is lamentably brief and inadequate coverage of his failure to support the democratically elected Spanish government against the fascist coup of Franco. This "neutral" stance contributed in no small way, along with appeasement, to encouraging fascist aggression which precipitated WW2. I am no historian so i suggest someone with expertise write a para on this important subject.Richwil (talk) 14:22, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

The western powers had an agreement to keep out, as they did not want a repetition of July 1914.Paulturtle (talk) 16:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
On a related note, didn't A.J.P. Taylor once write apropos of Eden's memoirs that "he didn't "Face the Dictators", he pulled faces at them". Might make a nice addition if somebody can remember when and where.Paulturtle (talk) 03:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Standing Ovation[edit]

According to William Manchester, in 1933 he made "a speech that brought him a standing ovation in the House".

Applause is frowned upon in the House of Commons, although there have been a few occasions of it in modern years, e.g. Tony Blair was applauded by his newly-elected MPs in 1997. The normal procedure is a rumble of "hear, hear"s, or in extreme cases shouts of approval and waving of order papers. I suspect it may have been the latter. I don't have copy of Manchester (an entertaining read but hardly the greatest of historians) to hand to check what he actually wrote. Is this mentioned in the reputable biographies (Carlton, Rhodes James, Dutton, Thorpe)?Paulturtle (talk) 20:10, 16 April 2015 (UTC)