Talk:Anti-British sentiment

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Merger[edit]

The majority of information provided here could very easily be placed on the Anglophobia page. Admittedly, there is a difference between English and British, but the majority of anti-British sentiment is anti-English anyway. Crablogger (talk) 07:31, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. Britain and England are not the same thing, as Welsh and Scottish nationalists are (rightly) keen to remind us. I think it is very doubtful that, for example, a phobic Afrikaner would bother to distinguish Welsh, English and Scottish identities in his antipathy (whereas a phobic Irish-American might well do so). Just because many foreigners misuse England and Britain as synonyms, does not mean that we have to reify this mistake.
And where would this leave the discussion of Anglophobia from within Britain? Welsh people in particular are sometimes in favour of the Union but phobic towards the English at the same time. BillMasen (talk) 12:09, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed that there is also anti-Welsh sentiment and anti-Scottish sentiment in the world, but surely those sentiments can be placed on seperate pages rather than place them collectively as anti-British? On the whole, anti-British sentiment is essentially a mixture of Anglophobia, anti-Welsh sentiment and anti-Scottish sentiment. If that is the case, then the areas concerning Anglophobia within the Anti-British sentiment article can be merged to here, and the anti-Welsh or -Scottish sentiments can be given seperate pages. Crablogger (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
for the sake of simplicity, let's keep this discussion on Talk:Anglophobia BillMasen (talk) 11:01, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Crablogger (talk) 12:00, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
I also respectfully disagree. We have to carfully avoid to think that the English language (and leadership as the linga franca of the world) and the nations and/or cultures have the same root of anti-sentiment.--Loup Solitaire 81 (talk) 19:50, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

subcontinent?[edit]

This article I suspect is lacking a focus on the subcontinent - India/pakistan/Burma to name three. Also Africa (Zim?) Casliber (talk · contribs) 13:32, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

You are absolutely right, but with respect, your comment is symptomatic of a problem with Wikipedia. You cannot simply ask others to expand the article ad infinitum. Aren't you as qualified to look up reports of anti-British sentiment as anyone else? BillMasen (talk) 13:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely/Good point. Usually I am a contributor (have a look at my contribs), and did this last thing before going to bed. I left a flag as someone who might be more familiar might chime in. I will pop a note at the various wikiprojects and revisit later. Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
I have my reservations about various Anti-X discrimination/sentiment type of articles. The main problem is that such articles are open to original research, POVs and soapboxing. For instance Anti British sentiment would expressly imply a hatred for the British, based on their Britishness, regardless of the circumstances at any given time. Wherever there is a war, there is an "enemy" and you dont expect warring nations to talk nicely about each other! So the Anti-British sentiment in Argentina speciifically emerges from the Falkland War and not from a specific dislike of the British. Not in the same manner as Anti-Semetism which was pervasive and not bound to specific circumstances. Ditto for India/Pakistan/Bangladesh. --Deepak D'Souza 04:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
You could say that about many sociological articles on WP which touch on negative aspects like this. Agree the article needs to be very careful and anything unreffed tagged and/or removed pronto. I was more thinking of historical aspects of anti-british sentiment under colonial rule. Again, I do not know enough about the history of the subcontinent to be too helpful here. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
It is not our place to excuse resentment against British people or anyone else on the grounds that "they have a specific reason for it". Just to pick one example: that plumber in Ireland. Does he care that "there is a specific reason" for the bigotry directed towards him? To blame the denizens of a country for something their government did 100 years ago is always wrong (unless, of course, an individual thinks that it was right). BillMasen (talk) 10:22, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
In the Irish case,the courts gave a fair hearing and found that the Englsihman was discriminated against. But thats the point: he was hated because he was BRitish. Not becasue there is a territoral dispute between Ireland and UK. But the section on Argentina merely says that "Anti-British sentiment in Argentina stems mainly from ..." It doesnt say what this Anti-British sentiment is; it mereley gives a reason for the sentiment. --Deepak D'Souza 17:30, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
All right, I have removed the Argentina section as it didn't cite any attacks or discrimination against British people. BillMasen (talk) 19:48, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Scotland?[edit]

The Scottish (and similarly the Welsh) tend to have disslike for England and the unity of themselves in the "United" Kingdom. Does this qualify as anti-British? Jolly Ω Janner 02:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

For my money, this goes either in Scottish nationalism (wishing to dissolve the Union with England) or Anglophobia. BillMasen (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I was about to say then, "this is anti-British sentiment Scotland is part of Britain why is he saying that". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.135.58.219 (talk) 04:18, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

South Asia[edit]

I have deleted this section on the grounds that all of the information provided was not only unsourced, but also because it did not seem to fit in with Wikipedia's WP:NPOV policy. Unless anyone can prove me wrong, then by all means post it back up, but only if it is appropriately referenced. --Crablogger (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

LOL[edit]

This article is, to use a British term, a "load of bollocks" and was obviously written by a Briton. Funny how it has a huge "BRITISH PEOPLE ARE BEING DISCRIMINATED AGAINST!!!!!" notice at the top-right corner of the page. No, anti-British sentiment is not discrimination. The British are not an oppressed people and never have been. Rather, they have usually been the oppressors. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hjandifkgk (talkcontribs) 01:21, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

This article does not seek to argue whether or not the British are "oppressed" or "oppressors" - it simply records examples of anti-British sentiment, as part of a much more wide-ranging group of articles here on discrimination. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

France[edit]

Hi everyone, I'm astonished that French people are not in the list as we (I'm French) are their historic "enemies" since at least the 100-year war. That's not only an historical fact but also a modern fact : http://www.globescan.com/images/images/pressreleases/bbc2012_country_ratings/2012_bbc_country%20rating%20final%20080512.pdf (page 13).--Loup Solitaire 81 (talk) 19:56, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Hostility between France and England is mentioned at the article on Anglophobia. Relations between France and Scotland - which is also part of Britain - are historically good, n'est ce pas? The publication you cite refers to people in France having a less positive view of the UK than in the past, but that is not the same as "prejudice, fear or hatred", which is what this article is about. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Pom[edit]

However it should be noted that a vast majority of British nationals[who?] do not find the term "Pom" offensive, and often consider it as an insult used in jest with no real malice behind the expression.[citation needed] Likewise, many British nationals[who?] refer (again, in jest) to the Australian and New Zealand peoples as "Aussies" and "Kiwis" respectively, with no malice intended

Who says this? Where are these figures? This is a load of bollox. It might be the case that a recently arrived British immigrant in their complete ignorance of the term and the history surrounding it mightn't have an issue with it, but that's probably it. As for Aussie and Kiwi, Aussie is short for Australian and Kiwi is a bird, and both terms were given to these people by themselves and are embraced by them for the rest of the world to use. There is no correlation with 'pom'. This entry is not fact, and if there is no support given, I shall remove it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.27.183.57 (talk) 11:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)