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I find it hard to believe that Nationalsit China would join a pact with Japan and manchuko in 1941 when in the midst of war with Japan.--207.156.201.242 11:50, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

That's not the Chiang Kai-shek government being indicated. That is the Wang Jin-wei collaborationist government - note the small yellow banner just above the Nationalist flag. Wang provided the civilian government for occupied China. 24.196.64.186 (talk) 21:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Hitler did not sign the pact with the USSR because wanted to go to war with Western Europe. The original Nazi plan was to invade the USSR for "breathing room" for the German people. Hitler did not believe England and France would start another war because he invaded Poland.
No, I don't think he did, but he intended to fight Britain & France long before 1939. He wanted to defeat and subject the Western bloc before focussing on the east. Brutannica 06:54, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Axis[edit]

The article on Axis Powers says Vichy France signed the pact also. Why is it not mentioned here?Michael Dorosh 16:22, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The term "Axis" is only a war-time propaganda term that though carried on by victor powers today, has no evidence in historical fact as Russian Historian Boris Slavinsky pointed out. There was never any document signed by Japan, Germany and Italy titled "Axis" nor any document signed by them to agree to refer to the "Tripartite Pact" as the "Axis". The term Axis was used only by Italy to refer to it's European relationship with Germany, never Japan; and by Allies trying to hide the fact of "The Japanese-Soviet Neutrality Pact" and pretend that there were 2 distinct sides in 1 war, which as the book "The Japanese-Soviet Neutrality Pact" Boris Slavinsky/Geoffrey Jukes 2005 proves false.
Every online source requested to prove by evidence the existance of any document signed by Japan, Germany and Italy titled "Axis" has gone unanswered.
It was only a propaganda term like today's ever-changing 'Axis-of-Evil' the US President has again redefined in July 2008 to exclude North Korea. It is a propaganda term, never the proper name of an actual signed military alliance. See Tripartite Pact.AthabascaCree (talk) 08:51, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Interesting, did the Allies ever sign "The Allied Pact"? Was there ever a "Central Powers Pact"? What is the point of trying to prove that legally "The Axis" never existed? Does that mean that WW2 never happened either? 24.196.64.186 (talk) 21:14, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Do not misunderstand Michael's idea. He was clearly saying that, according to article "Axis Powers", Vichy France signed the Anti-Comintern Pact, but it was not mentioned in "Anti-Comintern Pact" as a signatory. It has nothing to do with a "Axis Pact" or whatsoever.Sixtypanel (talk) 01:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

WP:MilHist Assessment[edit]

A very nice article, very nicely written. Very accessible to the average reader. The introduction paragraph, and the following sentence mentioning Italy's joining and thus forming the Axis Powers, are very clear and tell us exactly what we need to know about the Pact. It includes quotes from the Pact text itself, which is very nice. But I wonder if there isn't more to be said. LordAmeth 15:56, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a terrible article, pure propaganda trype. See the actual Tripartite Pact Discussion.

re: Attempts To Improve Anglo-German Relations[edit]

I recommend removing the label and separating out the elements relating to the anti-comintern pact for a separate section. Elements discussing actual Anglo-German relations should probably be edited or removed.

Perusal of the politics of appeasement with regards to British pre-war foreign policy should make it clear to the reader that Britain was pursuing Hitler's support rather than the reverse. Ribbentrop, Goering, and others did look forward to securing a temporary peace with the British ( Mosely, Leonard "On Borrowed Time How World War II Began" Random House Inc, New York, USA 1969; Manchester, William The Last Lion: Winston Spencer Churchill, Alone 1932-1940, Little, Brown and Company, Revised edition (October 28, 1988); Gilbert, Martin Churchill : A Life, Holt Paperbacks (October 15, 1992) ), but it was the policy of Prime Ministers MacDonald and Chamberlain to seduce Germany into a bi-lateral relationship for trade and defense, to the exclusion of the US, France, and Soviet Union. Up until the invasion of Poland, Britain gave in on every demand that Hitler issued no matter the consequences, loss in prestige, relative economic standing, or continental security implications.

Yes German policy in the 1930's was to make nice with the Western powers, but only in a strategic sense to cover their drive to the East before driving West. There was no long term interest in a communal friendship with Britain. Hitler offered no concessions beyond a few delays in his program.

Gryffin13 (talk) 12:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Request Evidence of Revival of Anti-Comintern Pact[edit]

I have read through all my history books again, The Oxford Companion to WWII, Liddle Hart, Total War(Calvocoressi,Wint,Pritchard) etc and can find NO mention of it's ressurrection after Japan declared it cancelled because Hitler violated the terms with the "Nazi-Soviet Pact". Please provide a book source like Boris Slavinsky's(Geoffrey Jukes)2005 "The Japanese-Soviet Neutrality Pact" which shows photos of the actual signed and stamped documents in their original languages.

If you cannot provide such proof, the statement must be removed according to Wikipedia Guidelines. All the aforementioned historical sources indicate the Anti-Comintern Pact died with the Nazi-Soviet Pact. It is only Allied propaganda that claim there was a link between the Anti-Comintern Pact and the Pact of Steel(which Japan did NOT sign) and the later Tripartite Pact. Unless Wikipedia starts cleaning up these unproven old war-time propaganda claims, it's own claim to being a 'neutral and objective' online encyclopedia is contradicted.

This is why the Oxford Dictionary has removed Japan from the definition of 'Axis Powers of WW2'. When historians requested evidence that such documents existed, none were ever provided, therefore the term is obviously just one of our victor propaganda terms like our ever-changing 'Axis of Evil' today. Used to include Pakistan, then the US President changed his mind and removed it from the definition. Recently as of July 2008, the US President has also changed the definition again to exclude North Korea as of last week. Therefore Wikipedia should cease supporting articles that use propaganda terms as actual historical alliances or pacts when there is no signed documentation agreeing to the name-change.

Speaking of which, The Avalon Project has similarily failed to provide said same evidence in their claim that any 'Axis Pact' ever existed in name. Therefore as Slavinsky/Jukes state, it is only a propagandic myth just like the claim that the Tripartite Pact was ever activated as a military alliance. It wasn't. Not only because Article 3 was never violated, but because of the "Japanese-Soviet Neutrality Pact" conveniently left out by all these biased and prejudiced authors on the topic series on Wikipedia.AthabascaCree (talk) 09:08, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Divided Support of Anti-Comintern Pact[edit]

Proof that the civilian government in Tokyo was not so supportive of this pact as inferred(neither was the Navy), is the fact that the November 1936 Anti-Comintern Pact Japan signed with Germany not done by normal diplomatic means but directly by the military instead.

‘The Japanese War Machine’(Chartwell Books, 1976)P38
“In November 1936 Japan signed the Anti-Comintern Pact with Germany, a move designed to secure Japan against the possibility of Russian intervention. This pact was engineered not by the normal diplomatic channels, but largely by the Japanese Military Attache in Berlin, the Japanese Ambassador being excluded from the discussions.”

These 'little' facts are far more important than the author implies. Every history book I read on the Anti-Comintern Pact points out that the Japanese government cancelled it upon Hitler's violations of it's terms in signing the 'Nazi-Soviet Pact'. The omission of these 'little facts' speaks volumes to the bias of the article.AthabascaCree (talk) 02:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

In reality...[edit]

The Comintern was something of a propaganda bogeyman, and was not the real purpose or target of the treaty. AnonMoos (talk) 11:07, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

The Comintern was *real* enemy. This pact was anti-communism reaction against 7th Congress of the Comintern. --182.168.50.171 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 11:03, 27 August 2014 (UTC)