Talk:Anti-Zionism

Christianity and Antisemitism?

What does Antisemitism have to do with Anti-Zionism? Those are two completely unrelated issues. There shouldn't be a "See Christianity and antisemitism" link under the Christianity section. Zionism IS NOT Semitism/Judaism.

It is ridiculous to state that the two are mutually exclusive of each other. Do some research. --Panzer71 (talk) 18:30, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yet some Jews remain anti-Zionist

I made IMO a relatively non-controversial edit here.

Here is the original edit:

Others contend that to the extent anti-Zionism represents opposition to Israel's existence, it is inherently antisemitic. Yet some Jews remain anti-Zionists.

The "others contend" quote is not supported by any source. This unsourced sentence leads to "Yet some Jews remain anti-Zionist" - sourced from Jews Not Zionist, a non-RS that could only be used to describe the views of that organization.

The problem here is that editors are assuming one's ethnic/religious status has some bearing on opposition to Israel's existence. It doesn't. Roland R claims my edits is my own synthesis but this is quite the contrary. The whole paragraph is synthesis, and none of it is supported by a third party reliable source. Just because your Jewish doesn't somehow make your opposition to Israel more legitimate. So either my edit should be restored or the whole sentence should be axed until one can find a suitable source to support it. Wikifan^{Be nice} 09:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is suggesting being Jewish makes their opposition more legitimate; rather, the Israeli government or Zionists (as evidenced by this article) quite often accuse opponents of Zionism of being antisemitic. It's a fairly common perception held by many Zionists, as the information in this article shows. (Look at how much attention we've given antisemitism in an article about criticism/opposition regarding a political ideology.) So the thinking is that "if anti-Zionist is so antisemitic, why are so many religious and secular Jews opposed to it?" As well, this article itself has a "Jewish Anti-Zionist" section, so it'd be proper to include something about this under the "Anti-Zionism and antisemitism" section. That's my understanding of why it should be mentioned that many Jews are in opposition to Zionism. I'm assuming some of the citations later used under "Jewish Anti-Zionism" would work. I'll look into it. 98.95.118.106 (talk) 01:26, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Error in Secular section

It repeats a lie that Jews returning to their homeland is "colonization." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartian1 (talk • contribs) 04:25, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

That is not an error or a lie. It is a description backed by reliable sources. RolandR (talk) 09:34, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Specifically which organization is being accused of antisemitism and being called into question as a non-WP:RS?—Biosketch (talk) 10:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

It seems to be the International Jewish Anti-Zionist Network. Their website is certainly a reliable source for their own views. RolandR (talk) 10:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

They don't appear to be a notable organization, in which case neither they nor their views merit attention in an encyclopedia article.—Biosketch (talk) 11:05, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

That is not true. WP:N covers the existence of articles, not the content of articles. nableezy - 15:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

And the subject of a Wikipedia article is by definition notable. RolandR (talk) 18:13, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

In Prague Jewry is in power

I was taken aback by the sentence "In Prague Jewry is in power" in the Anti-Zionist conspiracy theories section. I found it incredible. Incredible it was. The source seems to be Simon Wiesenthal's book 'Justice not Vengeance'. In what world is a book, of which the author is a Zionist Jew, a reliable source on anti-Zionism? Not only that, but if it were true this sentence would have to be in an article on antisemitism. I searched Google for this quote, and it is nowhere to be found.

I can't edit it out of the page, but can someone at least temporarily remove it until it is a proven fact that both the Volkischer Beobachter and Neues Deutschland used this sentence? The only instance where I found this was a news source directly quoting this article. That is embarassing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DenDelhaize (talk • contribs) 15:46, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps the picture accompanying this story would be a good illustration of the nature of antizionism. [1]

Anti-Zionism and antisemitism

As per Shrike's suggestion, I've come to the talk page to discuss the section entitled Anti-Zionism and antisemitism. Originally I blanked the section down, but Shrike rightly suggested that I summarize what the sources say instead. I'll try to get to work on that soon, but if anyone wants to help with it, I'd be grateful. On another note, but related to the same section, is there any reason why both viewpoints aren't given equal attention? I'm assuming it is just an issue with the length of the quotes, and if so, we should keep in mind that we should stay neutral and give fair attention to both sides on this issue. Cheers. 98.95.118.106 (talk) 20:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)